ATC question

Newps wrote:


Dave S wrote:



Did you listen to the ATIS prior to contacting the tower? Local
arrival procedures are usually spelled out during this broadcast. Most
of the local Class D's around me don't work in the manner you've
described, but if thats how they work, thats what you do.


Every single tower has a radar facility to provide approach services,
some more effective than others. Every single tower can, at their
discretion, accept a VFR arrival without first contacting a radar facility.


Can they, at their discretion, decide to refuse service to whomever they
choose? What if they don't like blue and white airplanes, can they just
decide not to let any blue and white airplanes land?

Matt

Matt Whiting wrote:



Every single tower has a radar facility to provide approach services,
some more effective than others. Every single tower can, at their
discretion, accept a VFR arrival without first contacting a radar
facility.


Can they, at their discretion, decide to refuse service to whomever they
choose?



Yes, but there has to be a reason. Traffic is usually the reason.


What if they don't like blue and white airplanes, can they just
decide not to let any blue and white airplanes land?

No.

On Apr 16, 9:36 pm, Matt Whiting wrote:

Can they, at their discretion, decide to refuse service to whomever they
choose?


No, they must have justification.

Matt Whiting wrote:
Newps wrote:


Dave S wrote:



Can they, at their discretion, decide to refuse service to whomever they
choose? What if they don't like blue and white airplanes, can they just
decide not to let any blue and white airplanes land?


Do controllers not like camouflaged airplanes? :-)

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On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:23:49 -0600, Newps wrote
in :

Every single tower can, at their
discretion, accept a VFR arrival without first contacting a radar facility.

Can you provide the FAAO 7110.65 section number that mentions Local
Controller discretion in this case?

On Apr 16, 9:23 pm, Newps wrote:

Every single tower has a radar facility to provide approach services,


How do you know that?

On 2007-04-16 19:23:49 -0700, Newps said:



Dave S wrote:



Did you listen to the ATIS prior to contacting the tower? Local arrival
procedures are usually spelled out during this broadcast. Most of the
local Class D's around me don't work in the manner you've described,
but if thats how they work, thats what you do.


Every single tower has a radar facility to provide approach services,
some more effective than others. Every single tower can, at their
discretion, accept a VFR arrival without first contacting a radar
facility.

One of the real problems with Class D towers that have these radar
repeaters is that some controllers get to staring at the TV instead of
looking out the window. Not all planes show up on the radar very well.
I have heard from some of the more opinionated old-timers that the
Class D towers would be better off and do a better job without the
approach radar. I would not go that far, but they seem to have a point.

It is like some pilots I have encountered who think that because they
have TCAS they don't have to look outside. One guy that I was
instructing nearly scared me to death (familiarization flight with a
new 182). We got a position advisory from Seattle Approach and instead
of looking outside the plane he looked at the fishfinder until he
decided that one of the returns on there was the aircraft Approach was
talking about. That airplane was 8 miles away! I had to make him look
up so that he could see the rag and tube experimental less than a mile
in front of us and low, down in the ground clutter. I think my client
learned something that day. :-)
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

On Apr 18, 2:11 am, C J Campbell
wrote:

One of the real problems with Class D towers that have these radar
repeaters is that some controllers get to staring at the TV instead of
looking out the window. Not all planes show up on the radar very well.
I have heard from some of the more opinionated old-timers that the
Class D towers would be better off and do a better job without the
approach radar. I would not go that far, but they seem to have a point.


Radar repeaters? Reading tower does not have a radar feed from a
nearby site that was established to serve another airport. The
Reading ASR is on the east side of Reading Municipal Airport.

On 2007-04-18 04:51:32 -0700, "Steven P. McNicoll"
said:

On Apr 18, 2:11 am, C J Campbell
wrote:

One of the real problems with Class D towers that have these radar
repeaters is that some controllers get to staring at the TV instead of
looking out the window. Not all planes show up on the radar very well.
I have heard from some of the more opinionated old-timers that the
Class D towers would be better off and do a better job without the
approach radar. I would not go that far, but they seem to have a point.


Radar repeaters? Reading tower does not have a radar feed from a
nearby site that was established to serve another airport. The
Reading ASR is on the east side of Reading Municipal Airport.

Ah. I was confused by what one of the other posters said.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

On 16-Apr-2007, Newps wrote:

Every single tower has a radar facility to provide approach services,
some more effective than others. Every single tower can, at their
discretion, accept a VFR arrival without first contacting a radar
facility.

Oshkosh's tower doesn't have a BRITE scope or any other type of radar.
Scott Wilson