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Flight Time - Student ;)
On Apr 18, 9:22 pm, "Maxwell" wrote:
'Go inverted and autorotate to get some altitude' - hey OSAB, can you explain that out in words a simpleton like me can understand? I was having a hard time picturing that one myself. Kind of tongue in cheek.....gg if you do an autorotation you go down. So, if you roll upside down and autorotate......you go up? You kind of had to be there to really get it......G Rocky |
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Flight Time - Student ;)
On Apr 20, 5:20 am, Ol Shy & Bashful wrote:
On Apr 18, 9:22 pm, "Maxwell" wrote: 'Go inverted and autorotate to get some altitude' - hey OSAB, can you explain that out in words a simpleton like me can understand? I was having a hard time picturing that one myself. Kind of tongue in cheek.....gg if you do an autorotation you go down. So, if you roll upside down and autorotate......you go up? You kind of had to be there to really get it......G Rocky LOL! How were we to know these grizzled old vets could have such a playful sense of humor? |
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Flight Time - Student ;)
"Don W" wrote in message .. . Maxwell wrote: I don't kill file anything, but I do delete it. There used to be some really good discussions on here. What is your interest in rotorcraft? I'm a long time fixed winger (c 1973) who started flying helicopters two years ago and loved it. Except for the expensive hourly rate, I'd a lot rather be flying a heli for sightseeing/pleasure flights. Of course, the fixed wing wins when you need to travel somewhere, or when the conditions are IFR. The problem I've got right now is that the closest FBO with helicopters for rent is more than an hours drive from my house. Also, as I've learned more about the R22, I've become a skeptic about its low-inertia rotor system. I got my FW PPL in 72 myself, but have yet to fly a helo. I have a school just a few miles away with a Bell 47. Keep telling myself I'm going to do it, even dropped by to see them a few years ago, but just never followed up. Interesting they give instruction, but don't carry insurance for rental. |
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Flight Time - Student ;)
On Apr 19, 10:40 pm, "Maxwell" wrote:
"Don W" wrote in message .. . Maxwell wrote: I don't kill file anything, but I do delete it. There used to be some really good discussions on here. What is your interest in rotorcraft? I'm a long time fixed winger (c 1973) who started flying helicopters two years ago and loved it. Except for the expensive hourly rate, I'd a lot rather be flying a heli for sightseeing/pleasure flights. Of course, the fixed wing wins when you need to travel somewhere, or when the conditions are IFR. The problem I've got right now is that the closest FBO with helicopters for rent is more than an hours drive from my house. Also, as I've learned more about the R22, I've become a skeptic about its low-inertia rotor system. I got my FW PPL in 72 myself, but have yet to fly a helo. I have a school just a few miles away with a Bell 47. Keep telling myself I'm going to do it, even dropped by to see them a few years ago, but just never followed up. Interesting they give instruction, but don't carry insurance for rental.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Where is the school with the Bell 47? Not many such schools left anymore. Thanks |
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Flight Time - Student ;)
The OTHER Kevin in San Diego wrote: On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:51:33 GMT, Don W wrote: snip ... Also, as I've learned more about the R22, I've become a skeptic about its low-inertia rotor system. Yeah, it's low-inertia, but if you're on your game, it's not a big deal to auto a '22. I happen to like flying it. It's kinda like flying a little sportscar... Yeah, I know. I've got about 10 hours in the R22 now, and have done a bunch of power recovery auto's. What got me were the wealth of fatal accident reports in the NTSB database--many of which had an instructor in the heli. Don W. |
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Flight Time - Student ;)
"Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote in message ups.com... On Apr 19, 10:40 pm, "Maxwell" wrote: "Don W" wrote in message .. . Maxwell wrote: I don't kill file anything, but I do delete it. There used to be some really good discussions on here. What is your interest in rotorcraft? I'm a long time fixed winger (c 1973) who started flying helicopters two years ago and loved it. Except for the expensive hourly rate, I'd a lot rather be flying a heli for sightseeing/pleasure flights. Of course, the fixed wing wins when you need to travel somewhere, or when the conditions are IFR. The problem I've got right now is that the closest FBO with helicopters for rent is more than an hours drive from my house. Also, as I've learned more about the R22, I've become a skeptic about its low-inertia rotor system. I got my FW PPL in 72 myself, but have yet to fly a helo. I have a school just a few miles away with a Bell 47. Keep telling myself I'm going to do it, even dropped by to see them a few years ago, but just never followed up. Interesting they give instruction, but don't carry insurance for rental.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Where is the school with the Bell 47? Not many such schools left anymore. Allied Helicopter in Tulsa, Oklahoma. They bought up tons of 47 stuff in I guess the 50s and 60s. When I visited them a few years ago, their mechanic "said" they probably had the largest stash of 47 parts in the world. The had four in the hangar, and operational at that time. Two were for sale, one a resent customer, and one they used for training. But he claimed they had parts for several more, but wouldn't assemble them unless they had a customer. I don't know what their status is today, I think the owner is well past retirement, but that's just a guess. He also said at one time in the 60s or 70s, they contracted a lot with governments in South America for spraying. IIRC, back then they had about 15 Bell 47s working in North and South America. It was a very interesting visit that lasted 2 or 3 hours. Seemed like really nice folks. I do recall back in the 70s or so, it was a very busy operation. Today I think they just offer instruction in the 47 and a Jet Ranger, and run charter in the JR. But they don't carry insurance for rental in either bird. |
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On Apr 20, 10:06 am, "Maxwell" wrote:
"Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote in oglegroups.com... On Apr 19, 10:40 pm, "Maxwell" wrote: "Don W" wrote in message ... Maxwell wrote: I don't kill file anything, but I do delete it. There used to be some really good discussions on here. What is your interest in rotorcraft? I'm a long time fixed winger (c 1973) who started flying helicopters two years ago and loved it. Except for the expensive hourly rate, I'd a lot rather be flying a heli for sightseeing/pleasure flights. Of course, the fixed wing wins when you need to travel somewhere, or when the conditions are IFR. The problem I've got right now is that the closest FBO with helicopters for rent is more than an hours drive from my house. Also, as I've learned more about the R22, I've become a skeptic about its low-inertia rotor system. I got my FW PPL in 72 myself, but have yet to fly a helo. I have a school just a few miles away with a Bell 47. Keep telling myself I'm going to do it, even dropped by to see them a few years ago, but just never followed up. Interesting they give instruction, but don't carry insurance for rental.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Where is the school with the Bell 47? Not many such schools left anymore. Allied Helicopter in Tulsa, Oklahoma. They bought up tons of 47 stuff in I guess the 50s and 60s. When I visited them a few years ago, their mechanic "said" they probably had the largest stash of 47 parts in the world. The had four in the hangar, and operational at that time. Two were for sale, one a resent customer, and one they used for training. But he claimed they had parts for several more, but wouldn't assemble them unless they had a customer. I don't know what their status is today, I think the owner is well past retirement, but that's just a guess. He also said at one time in the 60s or 70s, they contracted a lot with governments in South America for spraying. IIRC, back then they had about 15 Bell 47s working in North and South America. It was a very interesting visit that lasted 2 or 3 hours. Seemed like really nice folks. I do recall back in the 70s or so, it was a very busy operation. Today I think they just offer instruction in the 47 and a Jet Ranger, and run charter in the JR. But they don't carry insurance for rental in either bird.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - My understanding Allied went out of business? At least the training part of it? |
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Flight Time - Student ;)
"Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote in message oups.com... My understanding Allied went out of business? At least the training part of it? Just gave their number a call, and I think the recording said Hines Aviation, so perhaps they have sold or closed. I left a message and will let you know what I find out. I live in a area along the river they used to frequent on their training flights, but haven't seen much if any activity from this since last fall. I hope I haven't waited too late, I always intended to get a few hours of instruction in one of their 47s. To me, they're a very proud old bird. |
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"Maxwell" wrote in message m... "Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote in message oups.com... My understanding Allied went out of business? At least the training part of it? Just gave their number a call, and I think the recording said Hines Aviation, so perhaps they have sold or closed. I left a message and will let you know what I find out. I live in a area along the river they used to frequent on their training flights, but haven't seen much if any activity from this since last fall. I hope I haven't waited too late, I always intended to get a few hours of instruction in one of their 47s. To me, they're a very proud old bird. Finally got a call back today. Allied did indeed go out of business. Their phone number rolls to Hynes Aviaiton, but only for referral purposes. Although Hynes gives instruction at a different airport (KRVS), they only offer an R22, with an R44 and possibly a Schwitzer 269 in the near future. Hynes told me the 47 parts, and he thinks an VFR and IFR 47 (both for sale) went to Parsons KS. He also mentioned a service in Ardmore Ok is offering trainning in a 47. He did say both services were searchable on Google. |
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