(OT) MS Simmers

"Dan544" dan544p@hotmail wrote in message
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I do not understand why so many of you real time pilots take such a
negative look at simmers.

I have always loved aviation. For me, because of physical limitations and
age, I will never be able to fly a real airplane alone.

I understand that it will never compare to rt experiences, and I also
understand that idiots like mxmaniac do not represent us simmers. It is a
game, but it does give us some little feel about flying.

I have a friend who flies for Continental on 737's from Newark,, He is
impressed with simming and says it is a good way to learn the basics, but
not a substitute for RT.


I enjoy listening and learning from you folks and I know we might post
stupid questions at times. Maybe we are jealous of you. I am. So please
bear with the ignorance.

Dan

Although there might always be some people in any community as specialized
as a real world aviation newsgroup who might not interface well with the
flight simulator community, those who don't interact well are in the
minority by FAR.
On the other hand there are literally hundreds of pilots and aviation
enthusiasts out here from all over the world who not only interact well with
the sim community, but enjoy using the simulator themselves. Some, like
myself, even devote copious amounts of time working not only with those who
use the simulator, but also with Microsoft and developers doing design work
in the simulator program itself.
Please feel free to post here at any time you wish to interact and/or ask a
real world aviation question. If that question is presented properly, I'm
sure you will find the real world pilots who frequent these groups to be
friendly and responsive.
I believe that any simulator pilot posting to an actual aviation newsgroup
who approaches real life pilots in a pleasant and respectful manner will
have no problems along the lines you have indicated.
Dudley Henriques
Retired Professional Pilot
MVP Microsoft Flight Simulator

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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"Dan544" dan544p@hotmail wrote in message
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I do not understand why so many of you real time pilots take such a
negative look at simmers.

I have always loved aviation. For me, because of physical limitations and
age, I will never be able to fly a real airplane alone.

I understand that it will never compare to rt experiences, and I also
understand that idiots like mxmaniac do not represent us simmers. It is a
game, but it does give us some little feel about flying.

I have a friend who flies for Continental on 737's from Newark,, He is
impressed with simming and says it is a good way to learn the basics, but
not a substitute for RT.


I enjoy listening and learning from you folks and I know we might post
stupid questions at times. Maybe we are jealous of you. I am. So please
bear with the ignorance.

Dan

Although there might always be some people in any community as specialized
as a real world aviation newsgroup who might not interface well with the
flight simulator community, those who don't interact well are in the
minority by FAR.
On the other hand there are literally hundreds of pilots and aviation
enthusiasts out here from all over the world who not only interact well
with the sim community, but enjoy using the simulator themselves. Some,
like myself, even devote copious amounts of time working not only with
those who use the simulator, but also with Microsoft and developers doing
design work in the simulator program itself.
Please feel free to post here at any time you wish to interact and/or ask
a real world aviation question. If that question is presented properly,
I'm sure you will find the real world pilots who frequent these groups to
be friendly and responsive.
I believe that any simulator pilot posting to an actual aviation newsgroup
who approaches real life pilots in a pleasant and respectful manner will
have no problems along the lines you have indicated.
Dudley Henriques
Retired Professional Pilot
MVP Microsoft Flight Simulator


Dudley.. Have seen you many times in the other NG.

I promise you folks with the little knowledge I have, I will not question
you.. Just here for the learning experience.

Dan

"Dan544" dan544p@hotmail wrote in message
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Dudley.. Have seen you many times in the other NG.

I promise you folks with the little knowledge I have, I will not question
you.. Just here for the learning experience.

Dan

You are more than welcome as far as I'm concerned, and from what you are
saying, I'm sure other pilots here will feel the same way.
Think out your questions as completely as you can ; be as explicit as you
can, and post here. I don't see any problem at all for you on this group. In
fact, for the most part, I think you will find these pilots on the whole to
be a very nice bunch of people eager to see you enjoy the simulator.
Contrary to what you might think, most pilots thoroughly enjoy sharing their
knowledge and experience with others.
So good luck; just enter the fray quietly and get to know some of the pilots
here. I think you'll do all right.
Dudley Henriques

"Dan544" dan544p@hotmail wrote in
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"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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"Dan544" dan544p@hotmail wrote in message
...
I do not understand why so many of you real time pilots take such a
negative look at simmers.

I have always loved aviation. For me, because of physical
limitations and age, I will never be able to fly a real airplane
alone.

I understand that it will never compare to rt experiences, and I
also understand that idiots like mxmaniac do not represent us
simmers. It is a game, but it does give us some little feel about
flying.

I have a friend who flies for Continental on 737's from Newark,, He
is impressed with simming and says it is a good way to learn the
basics, but not a substitute for RT.


I enjoy listening and learning from you folks and I know we might
post stupid questions at times. Maybe we are jealous of you. I am.
So please bear with the ignorance.

Dan

Although there might always be some people in any community as
specialized as a real world aviation newsgroup who might not
interface well with the flight simulator community, those who don't
interact well are in the minority by FAR.
On the other hand there are literally hundreds of pilots and aviation
enthusiasts out here from all over the world who not only interact
well with the sim community, but enjoy using the simulator
themselves. Some, like myself, even devote copious amounts of time
working not only with those who use the simulator, but also with
Microsoft and developers doing design work in the simulator program
itself. Please feel free to post here at any time you wish to
interact and/or ask a real world aviation question. If that question
is presented properly, I'm sure you will find the real world pilots
who frequent these groups to be friendly and responsive.
I believe that any simulator pilot posting to an actual aviation
newsgroup who approaches real life pilots in a pleasant and
respectful manner will have no problems along the lines you have
indicated. Dudley Henriques
Retired Professional Pilot
MVP Microsoft Flight Simulator


Dudley.. Have seen you many times in the other NG.

I promise you folks with the little knowledge I have, I will not
question
you.. Just here for the learning experience.

It's not ther questioning that's the problem.. It's usualy the
questioner.


Bertie

"Dan544" dan544p@hotmail wrote in
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I promise you folks with the little knowledge I have, I will not
question you.. Just here for the learning experience.

Dan

Whoa!! Hold on a minute!!

If I say something that doesn't seem to be right, or doesn't make sense, I
WANT you (or someone) to question me. If I am full of s%^&* or realize I
made a mistake, I will certainly appreciate the fact that you helped me
realize it. In fact, I am a strong believer in "out of the mouth of
babes" - a fresh viewpoint of something that I take for granted often helps
me solve problems or realize my own mistakes. Any pilot can tell you that
there is a lot of "lore" that you hear from other pilots and instructors
based on how something might have worked on some specific plane in some
specific circumstance that has somehow manifested itself into gospel for
all planes in all situations, but is really not accurate. I certainly
appreciate it when someone can give me factual information and filter out
all of the bulls^&*.

No one is infallible. Not even the more vocal folks on this group. And if
someone says something inaccurate and is proven wrong, even by Manic, they
made a mistake and should not try to pretend otherwise. It can be a tough
thing for anyone with a big ego to accept the possibility that he was
proven wrong, especially by someone he doesn't like. And it's easy to be
tough behind an anonymous wall of usenet, but it's not a good demonstration
of character.

Manic's problem is not that he questions the opinion of every pilot who
answers his question. Manic's problem is that he specifically disrespects
pilots. He has made it obvious that he is not asking questions because he
wants to learn. He asks questions because he wants to bait pilots who try
to help him into proving them wrong so that he can boost his own ego. And
if he, who is also fallible, makes a mistake, he simply shrugs it off and
says that he meant something else or changes the assumption.

But if your intent is to gain knowledge about aviation or aviation lore, or
even some some other non-aviation things that interest pilots, or you just
want to hear some good pilot stories, you've come to the right place, even
if you are not a pilot.

Enjoy!

Judah writes:

Manic's problem is not that he questions the opinion of every pilot who
answers his question. Manic's problem is that he specifically disrespects
pilots.

I neither respect nor disrespect pilots; why would a person's hobby or
occupation have any bearing on whether or not I respect him? It's the person,
not the job.

However, some people are so insecure that they interpret any absence of
fawning respect to be a manifestation of _disrespect_. That's their problem,
not mine.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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I neither respect nor disrespect pilots; why would a person's hobby or
occupation have any bearing on whether or not I respect him? It's the
person, not the job.

You have repeatedly expressed disdain for pilots and "our social club". You
claim that your sim experiences are equavalent to piloting a physical
aircraft without being able or willing to "prove it" - to yourself or others.
Instead you expect others to "prove you wrong". You have expressed that
people on this newsgroup who bear witness to certain actual events and
phenomenon are not reliable because their experiences don't jibe with your
often baseless "theories". You claim that anyone who answers your questions
is just a "self-appointed expert", even if they have credentials -- which you
have said mean nothing to you. Yet you have appointed yourself the expert at
filtering out the truth from the garbage.

And you don't even see the very hypocricy of your own statements and
sentiments.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Judah writes:

Manic's problem is not that he questions the opinion of every pilot
who answers his question. Manic's problem is that he specifically
disrespects pilots.

I neither respect nor disrespect pilots; why would a person's hobby or
occupation have any bearing on whether or not I respect him? It's the
person, not the job.

However, some people are so insecure that they interpret any absence
of fawning respect to be a manifestation of _disrespect_. That's
their problem, not mine.

Yes, you're just too full up with other problems already anyway!


Bertie

"Judah" wrote in message
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"Dan544" dan544p@hotmail wrote in
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I promise you folks with the little knowledge I have, I will not
question you.. Just here for the learning experience.

But if your intent is to gain knowledge about aviation or aviation lore,
or
even some some other non-aviation things that interest pilots, or you just
want to hear some good pilot stories, you've come to the right place, even
if you are not a pilot.


I do enjoy the pilot stories a lot. I get on the sim and try and recreate
them.

The only rt for me except for commercial was in Maine near Bar Harbor. I got
up in a glider a few times. It was such a beautiful and incredible
experience for me. The second time up he asked it I wanted to do some rolls.
Of course.. WOW!!

Like I said, Because of physical limitations, I would never be able to get a
license. I saw an earlier post from someone who said that flying duo would
be OK. Does that mean that I could handle the plane?

Dan

"Dan544" dan544p@hotmail wrote in message
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"Judah" wrote in message
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"Dan544" dan544p@hotmail wrote in
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Like I said, Because of physical limitations, I would never be able to get
a license. I saw an earlier post from someone who said that flying duo
would be OK. Does that mean that I could handle the plane?

Dan

Yes. Any instructor, or pilot for that matter, can allow you to handle the
controls during a flight.
I would suggest you go out to the nearest airport and simply ask for a
demonstration flight. Any CFI can do this for you and allow you all the
access you desire in handling the aircraft. A physical limitation might deny
you a medical, but you can take all the dual instruction you want to without
a medical. You just can't solo.
In fact, in theory anyway, it is actually possible for you to become the
finest pilot in the world while doing it all with an instructor with you in
the airplane. As long as that CFI is in there with you, he is pilot in
command, but you can do all the flying your limitations will allow. The
instructor will decide where these limits are.
Were you flying with me, and you could handle the airplane, I see no reason
whatsoever that would deny you the experience of handling the aircraft from
takeoff through landing; in other words, as long as I or some other
instructor is in there with you and you can cut it, the airplane can be
yours.
Of course I have no idea just how bad your physical limitation might be. I'm
assuming what you are discussing might be enough to deny you a medical, but
not enough to actually keep you physically from flying the airplane.
With me, or any instructor who is any good at all, our only rule is that we
won't allow you to kill us or bend the airplane...that's it!! Aside from
that, it's yours to handle, so why not give it a go??? There might be no
reason at all why you can't enjoy the beauties of flight and come back here
on the group as a contributor with answers as well as questions :-))
How's THIS for something to think about?
Dudley Henriques