A380 captain's pay

Paul Tomblin writes:

The problem with "telecommuting positions" is that if they want
telecommuters, they want Indian, Chinese, or Eastern European
telecommuters, or people willing to work for those types of wages.

That's not a problem for the employer; that is presumably the whole idea. If
the employer has experience with workers in these countries, either it has set
up development centers in those countries or it has telecommuting. Either
way, it should be possible to find workers at much less than $75K, at least
for now.

It's all temporary, though. It's possible to temporarily take advantage of
differences in cost of living, but the mere fact of doing so changes those
costs of living and the differences among them, and eventually you are once
again paying the same for workers everywhere. This is already happening in
places like India.

There are other problems with chasing the lowest possible wages; often this is
the one and only advantage to outsourcing abroad, and it turns out to be more
than negated by other disadvantages of this type of hiring. For example, the
turnover of employees is often several hunded percent per year, and it's
impossible to train them because they don't stay long enough to amortize the
training and it's too costly to train replacements every 90 days.

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On May 26, 12:32 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Paul Tomblin writes:
The problem with "telecommuting positions" is that if they want
telecommuters, they want Indian, Chinese, or Eastern European
telecommuters, or people willing to work for those types of wages.

That's not a problem for the employer;


How ould you know you racist fjukkwit?

You don't employ, you don't fly and you don't think.


Bertie

that is presumably the whole idea. If
the employer has experience with workers in these countries, either it has set
up development centers in those countries or it has telecommuting. Either
way, it should be possible to find workers at much less than $75K, at least
for now.

It's all temporary, though. It's possible to temporarily take advantage of
differences in cost of living, but the mere fact of doing so changes those
costs of living and the differences among them, and eventually you are once
again paying the same for workers everywhere. This is already happening in
places like India.

There are other problems with chasing the lowest possible wages; often this is
the one and only advantage to outsourcing abroad, and it turns out to be more
than negated by other disadvantages of this type of hiring. For example, the
turnover of employees is often several hunded percent per year, and it's
impossible to train them because they don't stay long enough to amortize the
training and it's too costly to train replacements every 90 days.

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Maybe Bertie..

But, by whatever means, he is correct....

Major prob for companies "outsourcing offshore " at this time...

D

On 25 May 2007 16:56:34 -0700, Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

On May 26, 12:32 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Paul Tomblin writes:
The problem with "telecommuting positions" is that if they want
telecommuters, they want Indian, Chinese, or Eastern European
telecommuters, or people willing to work for those types of wages.

That's not a problem for the employer;


How ould you know you racist fjukkwit?

You don't employ, you don't fly and you don't think.


Bertie

that is presumably the whole idea. If
the employer has experience with workers in these countries, either it has set
up development centers in those countries or it has telecommuting. Either
way, it should be possible to find workers at much less than $75K, at least
for now.

It's all temporary, though. It's possible to temporarily take advantage of
differences in cost of living, but the mere fact of doing so changes those
costs of living and the differences among them, and eventually you are once
again paying the same for workers everywhere. This is already happening in
places like India.

There are other problems with chasing the lowest possible wages; often this is
the one and only advantage to outsourcing abroad, and it turns out to be more
than negated by other disadvantages of this type of hiring. For example, the
turnover of employees is often several hunded percent per year, and it's
impossible to train them because they don't stay long enough to amortize the
training and it's too costly to train replacements every 90 days.

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On May 25, 7:25 pm, Dave wrote:
Maybe Bertie..

But, by whatever means, he is correct....

Major prob for companies "outsourcing offshore " at this time...

Works both ways. I actually have a job offer in hand as we speak for a
6 figure job working near Sacramento for an Indian company. Those damn
Americans keep taking all the Indian jobs! I still haven't decided
if I'll take it but I've already begun dumping stock options in my
current company so I guess that says something.

-Robert

On May 25, 4:32 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Paul Tomblin writes:
The problem with "telecommuting positions" is that if they want
telecommuters, they want Indian, Chinese, or Eastern European
telecommuters, or people willing to work for those types of wages.

That's not a problem for the employer; that is presumably the whole idea. If
the employer has experience with workers in these countries, either it has set
up development centers in those countries or it has telecommuting. Either
way, it should be possible to find workers at much less than $75K, at least
for now.

Sadly I do have experience with employees in France. There is no way I
would hire a programmer there. We do hire field guys there when the
need is extream and our UK guys can't hold up the need. The problem is
that if you hire someone in France when sales are going up, you can't
let them go when sales go down. It takes us about 12 months to lay
someone off in France (usually you have to send them away with a
massive pot of cash to agree to leave early). We even had an executive
in France that was right out pocking sales money. We couldn't fire him
for more than 6 months. We actually had to send letters to our
customers and tell them that, although he was still an employee, he
was not authorized to enter any agreements.

-Robert

Robert M. Gary writes:

Sadly I do have experience with employees in France.

France is not a Third-World outsourcing country. There isn't really any
advantage to hiring anyone in Western Europe, but France is one of the worst
choices.

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