Impact of Eurofighters in the Middle East

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(phil hunt) wrote:

On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 20:22:07 GMT, Chad Irby wrote:
In article ,
(phil hunt) wrote:

Presumably, if Egypt and Saudi Arabia were prepared to pay large
amounts of money for Typhoons, they would also be prepared to pay
for pilot training.

Not from past history. The Saudis are notoriously bad at enforcing
training their pilots.

Any reason why? I mean, it doesn't make any sense to me.

Look, for example, at every other Arab military unit in the Middle East.

What makes you think the Saudi Air Force will suddenly be any different?

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In article ,
(phil hunt) wrote:

On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 20:22:07 GMT, Chad Irby wrote:
In article ,
(phil hunt) wrote:

Presumably, if Egypt and Saudi Arabia were prepared to pay large
amounts of money for Typhoons, they would also be prepared to pay
for pilot training.

Not from past history. The Saudis are notoriously bad at enforcing
training their pilots.

Any reason why? I mean, it doesn't make any sense to me.

Look, for example, at every other Arab military unit in the Middle East.



btw, the Jordanian pilots are said to be well trained and tough opponents.


What makes you think the Saudi Air Force will suddenly be any different?

(Quant) wrote:

Chad Irby wrote:

Look, for example, at every other Arab military unit in the Middle East.

btw, the Jordanian pilots are said to be well trained and tough opponents.

....by the Syrians and the Egyptians.

Not by anyone *good*.

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(Quant) wrote:

Chad Irby wrote:

Look, for example, at every other Arab military unit in the Middle
East.

btw, the Jordanian pilots are said to be well trained and tough
opponents.

...by the Syrians and the Egyptians.

Not by anyone *good*.

Who is "anyone", Chad?

I find it estranging that you put yourself into a position of representing
anybody but you here, and then, based on "educated guessing" about "what we
all know" about the Arab air forces, you conclude that the Saudis have a
poor air force "too"....

How much do you actually know about their air force, if you don't mind me
asking?

I mean: do you know the sellection process for their pilots? How many hours
Saudi, Syrian, Egyptian pilots get per month, or annually? What is their
training sylabdus looking like? Do you at least know where do they learn to
fly?

Tom Cooper
Co-Author:
Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988:
http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php
and,
Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat:
http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585

In article ,
"Tom Cooper" wrote:

I find it estranging that you put yourself into a position of representing
anybody but you here, and then, based on "educated guessing" about "what we
all know" about the Arab air forces, you conclude that the Saudis have a
poor air force "too"....

How much do you actually know about their air force, if you don't mind me
asking?

Read my other posts. Nobody outside of the Saudi press thinks the Saudi
air force is any good.

Since you're the expert, give us some of your sources for claiming that
they're any different from any *other* military in the Arab world.

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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 17:38:45 GMT, Chad Irby wrote:
In article ,
"Tom Cooper" wrote:

I find it estranging that you put yourself into a position of representing
anybody but you here, and then, based on "educated guessing" about "what we
all know" about the Arab air forces, you conclude that the Saudis have a
poor air force "too"....

How much do you actually know about their air force, if you don't mind me
asking?

Read my other posts. Nobody outside of the Saudi press thinks the Saudi
air force is any good.

Is this a climbdown from your original claim that all Arab military
units are no good?[1]

Since you're the expert,

Tom clearly comes across as more of an expert than you, since he
uses sources and facts, and not just his prejudices.

give us some of your sources for claiming that
they're any different from any *other* military in the Arab world.

[1]: Ah I see not.

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In article ,
(phil hunt) wrote:

Tom clearly comes across as more of an expert than you, since he
uses sources and facts, and not just his prejudices.

Really? Which sources and facts has he come up with in this case? I
mentioned knowing some guys who have dealt with the Saudis, and he
merely questioned that and asked for more info, giving none of his own
in counter.

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