dream time

I'd add the new 18m Jonkers JS-1 Revelation to that list. It'll come
as a jet sustainer and conventional self launcher as well, it would
definitely be on my short list. The Antares now comes in a dedicated
18m version as well, but only with a conventional Solo sustainer
engine as option. If I understand it correctly the 304S Shark comes
with a jet self launch option (not jet sustainer) and a conventional
Solo based sustainer option.

Markus

304S also has the typical power plants for self launch if anyone wants
them....same as S-H, AS or DG.....
Jet is far more interesting, likely more reliable than any of the other
options.....and has plenty of power for self launching but needs a boost to
get initial movement.(short auto tow)...will not be certified therefore as a
self launcher
tim

"Eric Greenwell" wrote in message
news:Yiaki.6226$t05.3592@trndny09...
bagmaker wrote:
OK all, its cold (with an F), wet and dreary here in Oz, and time to
fire up the dreams machine.

What ship, down to 3 options-

ASH26E
304S with Jet sustainer
Antares 20E

Which is your choice and why?

What kind of flying do you hope to do?

If it's safaris, that might favor the ASH26E, because the 304S sustainer
needs a tow and the Antares needs electricity and has much more limited
motoring range.

If most of your flying is where and when a tow is readily available, that
would favor the lighter, simpler, cheaper sustainer.

If it's mostly from an airport with access to electricity and long powered
retrieves aren't important, that would favor the Antares.

Contest flying? The classes you can fly in will be determined by the
glider you choose; e.g., no 18 M if you get the Antares.

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"Tim Mara" wrote in message
...
304S also has the typical power plants for self launch if anyone wants
them....same as S-H, AS or DG.....
Jet is far more interesting, likely more reliable than any of the other
options.....and has plenty of power for self launching but needs a boost
to get initial movement.(short auto tow)...will not be certified therefore
as a self launcher
tim

A return to bungee launch?

wow! Hit a sweet spot here!

Ok, I dont know why the Ventus isnt on the list, its a dream list and not a dream ship (reaching for flame suit)
Cost is an issue with the Antares, but hey ,we are dreaming.
Safari style touring is the aim, I cant imagine too much trouble in finding a AC socket every couple of days would be a struggle on any safari, even if it means U Hiring a genset on the field. 20m is restrictive for competition, having to compete with open class, although if it handles as well as told, should be good. How is it in light conditions with the "permanent" higher wing loading?
I would admit the JS1 Revelation to be near the hit list, although it looks a tad tight cockpit wise and both it and the company remain unproven.
Both the JS1 and the shark 304 would be a great thing jet assisted, I cant wait for that!

What other options do we come up with for assisting the assist for self launch?
Electric wheel motor?
Clockspring wheel? (maybe it can be wound up!!!)


thanks in advance

bagger

Yes Mal, you can fly it

The reason the Ventus, ASG variants and similar craft are not on a dream list (of mine) is the engine.
2 strokes should be restricted to lawn mowers, simple as that.
The simplicity, weight and size of a turbine is the main drawcard, noise and low-speed (self-launch) power are the downers.
The Antares will improve both in pricing and electrical complexity/longevity if the company is supported - sales would indicate it will be- and we can all see that self-launch will be the way to fly eventually.


still dreaming..............


bagger

On Jul 8, 3:14 am, bagmaker
wrote:
OK all, its cold (with an F), wet and dreary here in Oz, and time to
fire up the dreams machine.

What ship, down to 3 options-

ASH26E
304S with Jet sustainer
Antares 20E

Which is your choice and why?

bagger

--
bagmaker

i need some turbine time so its the 304S for me

"bagmaker" wrote in message
...

OK all, its cold (with an F), wet and dreary here in Oz, and time to
fire up the dreams machine.

What ship, down to 3 options-

ASH26E
304S with Jet sustainer
Antares 20E

Which is your choice and why?

bagger
--
bagmaker

Second Eric Greenwell's response and add:

Of the 3 ships you list, I'd pick either the 20E or ASH26E depending on the
mission.

I was very impressed with the engineering and thought that went into the
Antares when I saw Dave's ship at the SSA convention. I've owned an ASH26E
for almost 5 years and am delighted with it. The Wankel power plant is
turbine smooth and has been 100% reliable, no breakdowns, failure to start,
or overheating. I made the decision to buy the 26E after discussing build
quality with Larry Mansberger and others who maintain and work on gliders.

bumper

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