Mustang Collision Oshkosh

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:26:34 -0700, Danny Deger
wrote:


I was a fighter pilot for the Air Force for several years and hated
formation landings more than anything else I ever did. No room for
error.

Formation Landings should be for show purposes -- like the Blue Angels
and Thunderbirds.

Which is, come to think of it, what this landing apparently was as
well.

Landing in trail is the safer way, if what you're concerned about is
airplanes and lives.

"Don Homuth" dhomuthoneatcomcast.net wrote in message
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:26:34 -0700, Danny Deger
wrote:


I was a fighter pilot for the Air Force for several years and hated
formation landings more than anything else I ever did. No room for
error.

Formation Landings should be for show purposes -- like the Blue Angels
and Thunderbirds.

Which is, come to think of it, what this landing apparently was as
well.

Landing in trail is the safer way, if what you're concerned about is
airplanes and lives.

My thoughts exactly. Like I said I hated formation landings.

Danny Deger
www.dannydeger.net

Danny Deger wrote:
"Don Homuth" dhomuthoneatcomcast.net wrote in message
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:26:34 -0700, Danny Deger
wrote:


I was a fighter pilot for the Air Force for several years and hated
formation landings more than anything else I ever did. No room for
error.

Formation Landings should be for show purposes -- like the Blue Angels
and Thunderbirds.

Which is, come to think of it, what this landing apparently was as
well.

Landing in trail is the safer way, if what you're concerned about is
airplanes and lives.

My thoughts exactly. Like I said I hated formation landings.

Danny Deger
www.dannydeger.net

With nose wheel airplanes, stacked laterally at co-speed through the
landing with no stack down for the trailer on final I never had a
problem with section landings. Of course there was always the ever
present potential for a tire blowout on the lead at touchdown.
(hopefully the tire away from me :-)
Never did section landings in prop fighters and never recommended them
either. Bad juju, especially in Mustangs. Much better to have at least
several thousand feet between touchdowns in these airplanes.
Dudley Henriques

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message ...

With nose wheel airplanes, stacked laterally at co-speed through the landing with no stack down for the trailer on
final I never had a problem with section landings. Of course there was always the ever present potential for a tire
blowout on the lead at touchdown. (hopefully the tire away from me :-)
Never did section landings in prop fighters and never recommended them either. Bad juju, especially in Mustangs. Much
better to have at least several thousand feet between touchdowns in these airplanes.
Dudley Henriques


The latest pictures to crop up do seem to show that they were not planning a section landing...

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:26:34 -0700, Danny Deger
wrote:

I was a fighter pilot for the Air Force for several years and hated
formation landings more than anything else I ever did. No room for
error.

I've done them in my Grumman AA5A along with a buddy who also flies a
Grumman AA1C... Of course our definition of a "formation landing" has
quite a bit more separation than ya'll probably did... grin We just
tended to use it to expedite coming into a Class-B airport (i.e.
"flight of 2") and the lead aircraft just lands long and on the left
side of the runway while the trailing aircraft shoots for the numbers
and stays on the right side of the runway... Of course, with the size
of the runway in question, we could be side by side and our wings
wouldn't be touching nor even overhanging the grass... A bit more
relaxed definition of "formation landing", I guess...

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:26:34 -0700, Danny Deger
wrote:

I was a fighter pilot for the Air Force for several years and hated
formation landings more than anything else I ever did. No room for
error.

An Air Force pilot admitting the possibility of an error... Wow,
that's a first...

--
GO NAVY !!!

On Jul 30, 4:47 pm, Grumman-581 grumman...@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM-
gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:26:34 -0700, Danny Deger

wrote:
I was a fighter pilot for the Air Force for several years and hated
formation landings more than anything else I ever did. No room for
error.

An Air Force pilot admitting the possibility of an error... Wow,
that's a first...

--
GO NAVY !!!

Do you know why the space shuttle throttles back to 3 Gs on ascent?

So Navy fighter pilots can fly the shuttle.

Go Air Force.

Danny Deger
Lots of good flying stories in my free book at www.dannydeger.net

On Jul 27, 6:41 pm, "Gattman" wrote:
http://www.wfrv.com/news/local/story...5fd653-6d41-46...

I was at the ultralight barn looking over my new student sport pilot
liscence at about 3pm waiting for the big warbird show that day.

I didnt get to see the very first part of the crash, nor have i looked
for any videos or pictures(yet, on dialup) but i'll give some
firsthand comments.

my view was partly obscurred by some of the ultralight tents, but i
either heard a bang, or saw a flash of color out of the corner of my
eye, and saw the first p51 come into view already in the nosedown
orientation. I saw only part of the green one, but did get a view of
the "fireball" some news agencies mention. those guys must race as
light as they can, because the flareup from when the tank broke off
lasted less than a 1/5th of a second.

really wasnt much to see. plane went up, flipped over, and smacked
into the ground, on impact the tank flared and the engine fell off,
other plane was already nosedown and skidded for a while. about a
minute afterward the pilot opened the cockpit and ran, I assume to
lend assistance. cars raced in, then big trucks, which then blocked
the view from the airshow audience. airshow announced a complete shut
down, but after about two hours they started up a couple of the
acts(not the big warbird one.) at the end they detoanted alll the pyro
as they could not let it sit.

from what i could see, the green p51 got it's wingtip under the tail
of the other, tried to pull up, and all went snafu. I do remember
there being some squirelly ground winds, as i was keeping an eye out
for weather, had a bad rainstorm previous days and was still drying
out one sleeping bag.

I was down there too near taxiway P5. I was taking pictures of the race,
but it appears I don't know how to work the shutter speed priority of
the camera. I got a lot of white .jpg files in between real photos and
video clips.

It looked to me like there was no evasive maneuvering before the impact.
As I saw them coming in, I was thinking they were close, but there must
be enough left-to-right spacing. I was wrong. I still can't figure out
why they were oriented with the front plane landing first. I think Jerry
may have lost sight of the front plane. When the plane flipped over it
hit quite hard, so it looked bad right from the beginning.

Paul

Tater wrote:
I was at the ultralight barn looking over my new student sport pilot
liscence at about 3pm waiting for the big warbird show that day.

I didnt get to see the very first part of the crash, nor have i looked
for any videos or pictures(yet, on dialup) but i'll give some
firsthand comments.