A question about the Transall C160

Peter Kemp peter_n_kempathotmaildotcom wrote in message
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It's gone to war every time the French have gone to war with a need
for heavy armour since it entered service.

Just because it hasn't fought yet doesn't mean it's no good.

Or is the US nuclear deterrent crap because it's never been used in
anger?

Peter Kemp

And my 3-point jump shot has worked every time I've used it in the NBA
finals. The Japanese don't agree with your last comment.


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Scott
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"Interestingly, we started to lose this war only after the embedded
reporters pulled out. Back when we got the news directly from Iraq,
there was victory and optimism. Now that the news is filtered through
the mainstream media here in America, all we hear is death and
destruction and quagmire..." Ann Coulter
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2003/091703.htm

"Peter Kemp" peter_n_kempathotmaildotcom wrote in message
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On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 04:18:45 GMT, "Ragnar"
wrote:


"Brian" wrote in message
.net...
Jeez, talk about yesterdays views - get off the France bashing already
and
get back into life - I supposed you have stopped eating French Fries
too?

And yes, France does have an Army - one that is very strong with very
good
equipment - the Le Clerc being comparable to the vaunted M1.

How many battles has the Le Clerc been in?

It's gone to war every time the French have gone to war with a need
for heavy armour since it entered service.

Just because it hasn't fought yet doesn't mean it's no good.

Means its untested. Kind of silly to compare an untested weapon against a
battle-tested one.


Or is the US nuclear deterrent crap because it's never been used in
anger?

You mean we were in a good mood when we nuked Japan?

Brian wrote in message
. net...
Jeez, talk about yesterdays views - get off the France bashing already
and
get back into life - I supposed you have stopped eating French Fries
too?

And yes, France does have an Army - one that is very strong with very
good
equipment - the Le Clerc being comparable to the vaunted M1.
snip

Le Clerc? Is that some sort of precision-guided surrender munition?

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Scott
--------
"Interestingly, we started to lose this war only after the embedded
reporters pulled out. Back when we got the news directly from Iraq,
there was victory and optimism. Now that the news is filtered through
the mainstream media here in America, all we hear is death and
destruction and quagmire..." Ann Coulter
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2003/091703.htm

Oh and the US Army is SOOO much better -

The US can't even defend her own borders to save its citizens from attack -
9/11.

Geez, the US Army can't even police Bagdhad well enough to stop someone from
blowing up targets in Iraq. And even though the US has completely occupied
Afghanistan, they still can't find Osama.

Where are the claimed weapons of Mass Destruction the Iraqi's supposedly
had????

I'll say this much for Saddam - at least the lights were on and the trains
ran on time - can't say that for the bumbling US Army trying to make a new
puppet state.

Typical brainwashed FRENCH fry eating slob - blindly follows the flag even
though it is coated in bull****.

Brian

"tscottme" wrote in message
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Brian wrote in message
. net...
Jeez, talk about yesterdays views - get off the France bashing already
and
get back into life - I supposed you have stopped eating French Fries
too?

And yes, France does have an Army - one that is very strong with very
good
equipment - the Le Clerc being comparable to the vaunted M1.
snip

Le Clerc? Is that some sort of precision-guided surrender munition?

--

Scott
--------
"Interestingly, we started to lose this war only after the embedded
reporters pulled out. Back when we got the news directly from Iraq,
there was victory and optimism. Now that the news is filtered through
the mainstream media here in America, all we hear is death and
destruction and quagmire..." Ann Coulter
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2003/091703.htm

Brian wrote in message
et...
Oh and the US Army is SOOO much better -

The US can't even defend her own borders to save its citizens from
attack -
9/11.

Geez, the US Army can't even police Bagdhad well enough to stop
someone from
blowing up targets in Iraq. And even though the US has completely
occupied
Afghanistan, they still can't find Osama.

Where are the claimed weapons of Mass Destruction the Iraqi's
supposedly
had????

I'll say this much for Saddam - at least the lights were on and the
trains
ran on time - can't say that for the bumbling US Army trying to make a
new
puppet state.

Typical brainwashed FRENCH fry eating slob - blindly follows the flag
even
though it is coated in bull****.

Brian



3,000 dead from an unforeseen sneak attack versus 15,000 dead from
summer heat. Which one sounds like a real condemnation of a government?
I'd say losing 400 valuable troops to destroy the Taliban and Saddam
sounds like a trade worth making. France looses more than that to
soccer riots.

The US doesn't completely occupy either Iraq or Afghanistan anymore than
the French police completely occupy The Zone around Paris or can prevent
bombing of synagogues, rape of un-Muslim women, or desecration of
cemeteries. But at least the people of Iraq and Afghanistan are glad
we've freed them. I doubt the French can say the same. I doubt the
French have the temerity to value their freedom with so many immigrant
Muslims demanding otherwise. The real question will be who will be the
first French leader to propose surrender to the Arab League.

I'm sure your concern for the promptness of Iraqi trains will comfort
the families of whomever filled the mass graves, the rape rooms, and the
children's prisons. Don't worry, nobody will accuse the French of
helping liberate anyone of the them. If someone accuse the French of
helping, you send them to me, I'll straighten them out. Your tribute to
Saddam is touching and the best proof you are French.

http://www.fas.org/news/iraq/1998/02...21903_wpo.html
FRANCE 1998
Office of the French President Jacques Chirac:
"France repeats that Iraq must scrupulously respect all the UN
Security Council resolutions. This is the only route that could enable
Iraq to be readmitted, when the time comes, into the international
community.

The President of the Republic made this clear to the Iraqi Foreign
Minister. He stressed "the extremely grave risks that will result from
a refusal by Iraq to accept the inspection of the 'presidential
sites.' Now time is running out."


http://www.fas.org/news/un/iraq/s/s1997-774.htm

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Scott
--------
"Interestingly, we started to lose this war only after the embedded
reporters pulled out. Back when we got the news directly from Iraq,
there was victory and optimism. Now that the news is filtered through
the mainstream media here in America, all we hear is death and
destruction and quagmire..." Ann Coulter
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2003/091703.htm

"Brian" wrote in message . net...
Oh and the US Army is SOOO much better -

The US can't even defend her own borders to save its citizens from attack -
9/11.

Well, at least we did not have 15K die due to heat prostration and the
like.


Geez, the US Army can't even police Bagdhad well enough to stop someone from
blowing up targets in Iraq. And even though the US has completely occupied
Afghanistan, they still can't find Osama.

Like there have never been terrorist attacks in France? Or other
criminal actions? What, you expect freakin' utopia to spring up in
Iraq overnight?


Where are the claimed weapons of Mass Destruction the Iraqi's supposedly
had????

So you think Saddam was hiding nothing? That he did engage in "full
and complete" disclosure of his WMD program activities?


I'll say this much for Saddam - at least the lights were on and the trains
ran on time - can't say that for the bumbling US Army trying to make a new
puppet state.

Oh, and what a tragedy *that* is...let's see, after Saddam released
some one hundred thousand criminals during the days leading up to the
coalition seizure of Baghdad, we have been trying to get the Iraqi
justice system back into operation. Their courts are now again
operating, using their own criminal code, with three adjustments
imposed by the US:

"...amended that code, subsequently, in three important respects; to
provide that for the first time in Iraq's history, a defendant has a
right to a lawyer from the beginning of the judicial process.
Secondly, that a defendant has the right to be silent without that
incriminating him or her. And thirdly, that torture is no longer
allowed in the Iraqi criminal system."

Source: http://www.cpa-iraq.org/transcripts/...riptPC2Sep.doc

How tyrannical is that? The nerve of the coalition leadership to
actually protect those accused rights...

As to the power system available pre-OIF, do you *really* think it was
all that reliable? Or that it outweighed the tens of thousands of
Iraqi citizens found in those mass graves?

One suspects that you will say a lot more than "one thing for Saddam";
and how about those wonderful French oil and gas development contracts
with Saddam that went down the toilet about the same time his statue
came crashing down in Baghdad? Them's the breaks... let me pause to
brush the tears from my cheek.


Typical brainwashed FRENCH fry eating slob - blindly follows the flag even
though it is coated in bull****.

Since you have yet to utter a single morsel of anything remotely
truthful, we'll take that little nugget with a large grain of salt.

Brooks


Brian

"tscottme" wrote in message
...
Brian wrote in message
. net...
Jeez, talk about yesterdays views - get off the France bashing already
and
get back into life - I supposed you have stopped eating French Fries
too?

And yes, France does have an Army - one that is very strong with very
good
equipment - the Le Clerc being comparable to the vaunted M1.
snip

Le Clerc? Is that some sort of precision-guided surrender munition?

--

Scott

Brian wrote :

Where are the claimed weapons of Mass Destruction the Iraqi's
supposedly had????

There :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3144980.stm

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 04:09:24 GMT, "Brian"
wrote:

Jeez, talk about yesterdays views - get off the France bashing already and
get back into life - I supposed you have stopped eating French Fries too?

France is an enemy nation.

Al Minyard

Alan Minyard wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 04:09:24 GMT, "Brian"
wrote:

Jeez, talk about yesterdays views - get off the France bashing
already and
get back into life - I supposed you have stopped eating French Fries
too?

France is an enemy nation.

Al Minyard

Not for the terrorists.

--

Scott
--------
"Interestingly, we started to lose this war only after the embedded
reporters pulled out. Back when we got the news directly from Iraq,
there was victory and optimism. Now that the news is filtered through
the mainstream media here in America, all we hear is death and
destruction and quagmire..." Ann Coulter
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2003/091703.htm

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 17:29:57 -0500, "tscottme"
wrote:

Alan Minyard wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 04:09:24 GMT, "Brian"
wrote:

Jeez, talk about yesterdays views - get off the France bashing
already and
get back into life - I supposed you have stopped eating French Fries
too?

France is an enemy nation.

Al Minyard

Not for the terrorists.

Too true!!

Al Minyard