Daddy! What did you do?!!!

On Aug 24, 8:39 pm, "Dan Luke" wrote:
"EridanMan" wrote:
I guess I'm just wondering if there is any regular and consistent
"personality" differences between Bravo Approach regions throughout
the country,

There is.

In my experience, Atlanta and Dallas are always hyper and very curt. Houston
can be high stress too, but will sometimes be laid back and helpful.

New Orleans is, well, N' Awlins.

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

Dan...

my impression having driven big iron and GA aircraft in and out of a
Lot of TCA's opps Class B's is that the main determining factor is the
pilot. Sound like you know what you are doing and they assume you do.

Stutter, dont have a plan, be random in your radio work...they tend to
all get a little stiff particularly as traffic mounts.

Robert

"Luke Skywalker" wrote:

Stutter, dont have a plan, be random in your radio work...they tend to
all get a little stiff particularly as traffic mounts.

True.

Busy TRACON controllers don't have any patience with nitwits gumming up the
works. If you can't keep up, keep out.

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

Boy you called that right. Some 30 years ago I used to fly into Dallas Love.
There was rancher I heard a few times also inbound to DAL. He used a cow
bell to announce himself. Approach always knew who he was and would say
Roger barnburner 123( or what ever his call sign was) radar contact.
Other times I'd hear some poor fella who sounded nervous. They always got
treated poorly. Approach just did not have time to deal withsome who was
going to take up a lot of time on the frequency.


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On Aug 24, 8:39 pm, "Dan Luke" wrote:
"EridanMan" wrote:
I guess I'm just wondering if there is any regular and consistent
"personality" differences between Bravo Approach regions throughout
the country,

There is.

In my experience, Atlanta and Dallas are always hyper and very curt.
Houston
can be high stress too, but will sometimes be laid back and helpful.

New Orleans is, well, N' Awlins.

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

Dan...

my impression having driven big iron and GA aircraft in and out of a
Lot of TCA's opps Class B's is that the main determining factor is the
pilot. Sound like you know what you are doing and they assume you do.

Stutter, dont have a plan, be random in your radio work...they tend to
all get a little stiff particularly as traffic mounts.

Robert

On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:50:16 -0000, EridanMan
wrote:

This does get me thinking-
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I guess I'm just wondering if there is any regular and consistent
"personality" differences between Bravo Approach regions throughout
the country, and if my comfort in Bravo is pes without even asking, and for no real reason). I do the bayshore
freeway transition probably three or four times a week without so much
as a batted eyelash from ATC.
artly because I'm used to
a particular control area that just happens to be very 'nice'?

Clearances for VFR / Bravo airspace transitions seem to vary widely
depending on the facility. While traveling on VFR x-c's I have been
cleared into Bravo many times. On the other hand, I have been flying
in the Chicago ORD area for 10+ years now, and have had exactly 1 VFR
Bravo transition, and that was at 1 in the morning.

-Nathan

On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:50:16 -0000, EridanMan
wrote:

I guess I'm just wondering if there is any regular and consistent
"personality" differences between Bravo Approach regions throughout
the country, and if my comfort in Bravo is partly because I'm used to
a particular control area that just happens to be very 'nice'?

I've never had issues with NY, Boston, or Philly. My co-owner was
blown away by a few contacts with DFW with how easy they were to deal
with.

I'll usually check which approaches are in use at the protected
airports before I leave, and make an effort to keep my path clear of
them, as well as request the transitions displayed on terminal area
charts. I'll also have my ducks in a row before I radio them, and
usually be on a VFR FF as I approach the space.

NY is far busier than Boston, and requires clear comms and fast,
concise answers. Boston often doesn't seem all that different than
some Charlie spaces. I have heard NY brush off plenty of stutterers.
G

I haven't flown in SFO space, but it sounds like we have similar
experiences.

Rob wrote:

The controller likely didn't want you interfering with
the big boys on downwind south of PHX runways 7/8/25/26.

Yes, that is the primary airline arrival corridor for traffic from the West.

I fly out of
Deer Valley Airport northeast of PHX, and I've never been refused the
(other) VFR transition route North/South over Sky Harbor

Me too, and me neither.

As far as the general issue of different tracons having different personalities, I agree, and in general the
Phoenix tracon is not all that accommodating of GA. There's a huge amount of GA training traffic, and for
the most part they put up with us, and in general the service is adequate, but it's nothing like Socal. For
impromptu IFR clearances, tower enroute, etc. Socal is VERY GA friendly by comparison.

Mike

On Aug 24, 12:56 pm, Steve Schneider wrote:
One of the advantages of flying is that you can pack so much more into
your weekends. Last weekend was a typically busy one for us. We had

Steve,
I enjoyed reading both of your stories. Your last weekend was
certainly packed with a lot of actions with help from the FBO guy and
the cops ;-)

Hai Longworth

Well, next thing I know three Chandler police cars come tearing in from
the main gate with lights flashing and spotlights on -- pointed at us.
As the police jump out of their cars and yell "Who's the pilot?!", my 9
year old daughter's jaw drops and she yells, "Daddy! What did you
do?!!!"

Steve, you need to develop a lower profile. (And your daughter is
going to be warped for life, you know... ;-)

Dunno what's up with your cops -- must be the heat? They sound like
they need to enroll in some relaxation therapy -- maybe get a full-
body massage once in a while?

Thanks for sharing the story(s) -- it was a great read!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Steve Schneider wrote:
I did manage to take a couple of pictures of the Lance with the police
cars on the ramp. You can seem them at the bottom of this URL:

http://www.4-fs.com/new/flying/2007-08-18-P19.htm

Only a fiver per night for transient tie-down?

Taste my envy!

TheSmokingGnu

"Steve Schneider" wrote in message ...



I did manage to take a couple of pictures of the Lance with the police cars on the ramp. You can seem them at the
bottom of this URL:

http://www.4-fs.com/new/flying/2007-08-18-P19.htm



Thanks for the post and the reality check. Things are not the same as they used to be...

Did you get any badge numbers or any opportunity to follow up about this?

I like the Lance, lit up with the pretty blue lights. ;-)