Daddy! What did you do?!!!

"Matt Barrow" :
This was in Chandler, where one cop (Lovelace) managed
to get one innocent bystander killed during a high speed
pursuit, then killed a lady for an illegal prescription.

Chandler PD is both corrupt and grossly inept (according to
my BIL who lives net door in Gilbert/Power Ranch (whose PD
is even worse).- Hide quoted text

Jay Beckman wrote:
So you don't live in Chandler, AZ and neither, in fact, does your
BIL yet you both are qualified to make this judgement, how?

Does being a resident of a city qualify someone to make those kinds of
accusations? I'd like to know what police dept *doesn't* have incidents
where things turned out badly and could have been handled more
efficiently. And how many incidents are handled well, solved, and have a
positive outcome that don't make the nightly news and are taken for
granted by residents? Always amazes me how an entire operation can be
labeled as "corrupt and grossly inept" by a couple of splashy nightly
news clips of unfortunate incidents.

"Shirl" wrote in message
...
"Matt Barrow" :
This was in Chandler, where one cop (Lovelace) managed
to get one innocent bystander killed during a high speed
pursuit, then killed a lady for an illegal prescription.

Chandler PD is both corrupt and grossly inept (according to
my BIL who lives net door in Gilbert/Power Ranch (whose PD
is even worse).- Hide quoted text

Jay Beckman wrote:
So you don't live in Chandler, AZ and neither, in fact, does your
BIL yet you both are qualified to make this judgement, how?

Does being a resident of a city qualify someone to make those kinds of
accusations? I'd like to know what police dept *doesn't* have incidents
where things turned out badly and could have been handled more
efficiently. And how many incidents are handled well, solved, and have a
positive outcome that don't make the nightly news and are taken for
granted by residents? Always amazes me how an entire operation can be
labeled as "corrupt and grossly inept" by a couple of splashy nightly
news clips of unfortunate incidents.

Even police will have a few successes :~)

Look at their record, though, over the long term. Look, too, at their upper
divisions and the city administration as well.

Just as the public schools intent is not to educate (in the classical use of
the word), neither is the purpose of the police, any more, to keep the
peace. (Notice how in the 1970's an onward, police stopped referring to
themselves as "Peace Officers" and started calling themselves "Law
Enforcement". That requires a pretty big stretch of logic to infer that the
laws are for protecting the public rather than some other group.

On Aug 27, 3:15 pm, Tater wrote:
File a lawsuit, extended harrasment. incompetence. get them fired.

Morons like that should not be allowed to have guns or authority

Get them fired for asking questions?

"Steve Schneider" wrote in message
...

One of the advantages of flying is that you can pack so much more into
your weekends. Last weekend was a typically busy one for us. We had plenty
to do around the house, I had to help a neighbor move, and we had a dinner
to help with at the Fallbrook Air Park (L18) for some 80 odd people -- oh,
and we needed to fly out to Phoenix to pick the kids up from a several
week long visit with their grandparents since school is starting soon. I
posted about the eventful trip when we dropped them
off in Sacramento under the "Flew home and boy are my arms tired!" thread.

I'd been trying to convince my wife that we should fly out on Saturday
night after the airport dinner, but she wanted to wait until Sunday
morning -- no doubt so we could enjoy flying into the sun and landing in
112 degree heat once we got to Stellar Air Park (P19) in Chandler, AZ.

When I got back from helping the neighbor move, with just about an hour to
go before we had to be at the airport to help with the dinner, my wife
says, 'Your right. Lets fly out tonight.' So with little time to spare, I
get my DUAT briefing, file a flight plan (guessing at when we'll be done
cleaning up from the airport dinner event), and gather my flight gear.

It was just after 9PM when we finished cleaning up from the dinner and we
got in the air. I opened my flight plan and enjoyed the fairly calm air
for the flight over the desert. By the time we were approaching Phoenix,
there wasn't any moonlight to illuminate the terrain.

Now typically I'll just start descending near Buckeye (BXK) and slip under
the TCA -- oops dating myself -- Class Bravo with an adequate height over
the Estrella Mountains just south of Phoenix International Raceway. As we
reached Buckeye, I could easily see across the Phoenix metropolitan area.
Visibility was excellent, and there was very little air traffic. However
with the limited terrain visibility from lack of moonlight, I figured it
would be expedient to call approach and ask for Bravo clearance to Stellar
rather than trying to sneak over the mountains and under the Phoenix Bravo
airspace.

Well, approach had me descend from 11.5 to 5.5 and vectored me towards the
south end of the Estrella Mountains. As I got handed off I asked the new
controller if I could turn inbound? Am I cleared into Bravo? No. No. No.
Eventually they turned me inbound and had me descend under the Bravo
airspace. Thanks for nothing. Could have done that myself and saved 15 or
20 minutes of flying time. As quiet as the airpsace was, I was astounded
that they couldn't accomdate us and sent us so far to the south. I've
never had a request refused in San Diego's Bravo airspace --
I guess we're spoiled out here.

So Approach finally released me to my "...own navigation, squak VFR, Good
Night." a few miles south of Firebird Lake and well under their
airspace -- which, did I mention, we never got to enter. My wife and I
vented about how useless the approach controllers had been as I proceed to
Firebird and inbound to Stellar -- calling my position on CTAF at
Firebird, crosswind, downwind, base and final. We landed just after 11PM.


What did Approach say was the purpose of the vectors?