Let's Get Real Here.

"Bret Ludwig" wrote

Thanks to the Miracle of Moment we can use a small weight at the very
tail to put forward CG in balance with low amounts of total mass. Most
airplanes are way longer from the CG back than from the CG front.

Except for the little fact that the plane is not certified to carry around a
counterweight in the tailcone.
--
Jim in NC

On Aug 25, 6:43 pm, Bret Ludwig wrote:
Can two 300 pounders fly this thing?

A lot of them not for too long. Considering that obesity and heart
attacks.

On Aug 25, 11:36 pm, wrote:
On Aug 25, 6:43 pm, Bret Ludwig wrote:

Can two 300 pounders fly this thing?

A lot of them not for too long. Considering that obesity and heart
attacks.

Many fat people-really fat-live surprisingly long lives. Marlon
Brando was morbidly obese for 35 of his 80 years at least-the last
ones-and Al Goldstein is not dead yet. Yes, it shortens lifespan, but
moderately fat people can live sometimes what would be pretty much the
normal lifespan. And since when they go, they generally drop over
clean and die rather than lingering like Ronald reagan, which costs
millions of dollars in health care sometimes. That's why prison
systems feed cons all they want and give them their own cell if they
are over a certain weight. What better way to keep them immobile and
reduce overall costs?

"Bret Ludwig" wrote

3. The average person who can afford an airplane in America now
weighs upwards of 250 lbs and some top 300. Can two 300 pounders fly
this thing? I know CFIs who tell me they are starting Denny the
Dentist in Skylanes now because they are too fat to be comfortable in
the Skyhawk.

If they weigh that much, they need to go on an immediate diet, forget sport
planes, or take up mud bog racing instead of flying.

Get real. The person that weighs 250 pounds, is obese, unless they are very
tall. They need to worry about losing weight before they die, instead of
flying airplanes that are too small for them.
--
Jim in NC

On Aug 25, 10:16 pm, "Morgans" wrote:
"Bret Ludwig" wrote

3. The average person who can afford an airplane in America now
weighs upwards of 250 lbs and some top 300. Can two 300 pounders fly
this thing? I know CFIs who tell me they are starting Denny the
Dentist in Skylanes now because they are too fat to be comfortable in
the Skyhawk.

If they weigh that much, they need to go on an immediate diet, forget sport
planes, or take up mud bog racing instead of flying.

Get real. The person that weighs 250 pounds, is obese, unless they are very
tall. They need to worry about losing weight before they die, instead of
flying airplanes that are too small for them.
--

Some people this heavy are not obese as muscular and huge, such as
football players. With exceptions such as "Refrigerator" Perry,
football players are not fat. Yet they weigh a lot. There are 6'4" 300
lb body builders who are considered "Greek Adonis" and not "fat".
Airplanes should be designed to comfortably accomodate NFL offensive
linesmen.

"Bret Ludwig" wrote

Some people this heavy are not obese as muscular and huge, such as
football players. With exceptions such as "Refrigerator" Perry,
football players are not fat. Yet they weigh a lot. There are 6'4" 300
lb body builders who are considered "Greek Adonis" and not "fat".
Airplanes should be designed to comfortably accomodate NFL offensive
linesmen.

At what expense? Make all trainers capable of hauling weight as a T-34? I
thought you wanted to see less expensive planes?

I don't want to pay to haul around offensive linemen. Even then, your
argument is weak. You and I both know damn well that you are talking mainly
about the obese average height lard ass.

A NFL player can afford to go rent (or buy) a fleet of warbirds, or other
4-6 passenger planes. Let them. I can not.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:
"Bret Ludwig" wrote
Some people this heavy are not obese as muscular and huge, such as
football players. With exceptions such as "Refrigerator" Perry,
football players are not fat. Yet they weigh a lot. There are 6'4" 300
lb body builders who are considered "Greek Adonis" and not "fat".
Airplanes should be designed to comfortably accomodate NFL offensive
linesmen.

At what expense? Make all trainers capable of hauling weight as a T-34? I
thought you wanted to see less expensive planes?

I don't want to pay to haul around offensive linemen. Even then, your
argument is weak. You and I both know damn well that you are talking mainly
about the obese average height lard ass.

A NFL player can afford to go rent (or buy) a fleet of warbirds, or other
4-6 passenger planes. Let them. I can not.

Don't let anyone accuse you have a sensitive side.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"Dan" wrote in message
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Morgans wrote:
"Bret Ludwig" wrote
Some people this heavy are not obese as muscular and huge, such as
football players. With exceptions such as "Refrigerator" Perry,
football players are not fat. Yet they weigh a lot. There are 6'4" 300
lb body builders who are considered "Greek Adonis" and not "fat".
Airplanes should be designed to comfortably accomodate NFL offensive
linesmen.

At what expense? Make all trainers capable of hauling weight as a T-34?
I
thought you wanted to see less expensive planes?

I don't want to pay to haul around offensive linemen. Even then, your
argument is weak. You and I both know damn well that you are talking
mainly
about the obese average height lard ass.

A NFL player can afford to go rent (or buy) a fleet of warbirds, or
other
4-6 passenger planes. Let them. I can not.

Don't let anyone accuse you have a sensitive side.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

IMHO, the weight limits on Light Sport are the totally unreasonable
determination of a bunch of desk jockeys. At the very least, they should
have accomodated the weights of two seat basic trainers commonly made and
used in the United States. The cost to build and maintain an aircraft of
750KG gross weigth would not be substantially more than for a 600KG
aircraft--and would very likely be less. In attition, it would have put
more companies and craftsmen back to work here in the USA.

Peter
Grrrrr.....

On Aug 26, 7:36 pm, "Morgans" wrote:
"Bret Ludwig" wrote



Some people this heavy are not obese as muscular and huge, such as
football players. With exceptions such as "Refrigerator" Perry,
football players are not fat. Yet they weigh a lot. There are 6'4" 300
lb body builders who are considered "Greek Adonis" and not "fat".
Airplanes should be designed to comfortably accomodate NFL offensive
linesmen.

At what expense? Make all trainers capable of hauling weight as a T-34? I
thought you wanted to see less expensive planes?


Key to cost reduction is volume.

The T-34 is the airplane people WANT. Study Trade-A-Plane.

And it isn't even a particularly good airplane.

Study too why MOTORCYCLING is very successful with huge market growth
in the last 50 years and GA is not. Despite being even more
dangerous. Let me know what you think it is. Hint: The Usual Reason
is horse**** and I can prove it.

The T-34 is the airplane people WANT. Study Trade-A-Plane.

And it isn't even a particularly good airplane.

Study too why MOTORCYCLING is very successful with huge market growth
in the last 50 years and GA is not. Despite being even more
dangerous. Let me know what you think it is. Hint: The Usual Reason
is horse**** and I can prove it.


I'm too damned lazy to study it, but just assumed it was ecause you can can
drive your motorcycle to the nearest bar, blip the throttle a cople of
times, and strut inside...

Peter