Bonanza crash caught on video

NoneYa wrote:
Maxwell wrote:
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
ps.com...
http://fox40.trb.com/

In an amazing coincidence, a Sacramento TV station was at Cameron Park
airport filming background for a story about the crash of a plane that
had departed earlier in the day and caught a second crash on video. Go
to the web site and click on "Cameron Park Plane Crash" on the right
side.

It sure looks like the pilot was taking off from a high-density
altitude airport with no flaps, downwind.
--

Looks like he could have increased his odds a bit, if he had used the
rest of the runway, and/or stayed in ground effect a bit longer.



No flaps!! No lift!!

No brain! Dumb post!!

In rec.aviation.piloting, on Fri 31 Aug 2007 11:26:15p, "Maxwell"
wrote:

Looks like he could have increased his odds a bit, if he had used the
rest of the runway, and/or stayed in ground effect a bit longer.

Well, considering the outcome, he couldn't have really decreased his odds.
Oh well, hindsight is 20/20, right?

"Really-Old-Fart" wrote in message
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In rec.aviation.piloting, on Fri 31 Aug 2007 11:26:15p, "Maxwell"
wrote:

Looks like he could have increased his odds a bit, if he had used the
rest of the runway, and/or stayed in ground effect a bit longer.

Well, considering the outcome, he couldn't have really decreased his odds.
Oh well, hindsight is 20/20, right?

Perhaps. Kind of depends on what caused the crash.

Unless he suffered some kind of reduction in power upon take-off, he had 10
seconds or so to remain in ground effect and keep building speed. If his
problem was indeed runway length, density altitude, gross weight and/or
downwind related - it could well have saved him.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
ps.com...
http://fox40.trb.com/

In an amazing coincidence, a Sacramento TV station was at Cameron Park
airport filming background for a story about the crash of a plane that
had departed earlier in the day and caught a second crash on video. Go
to the web site and click on "Cameron Park Plane Crash" on the right
side.

It sure looks like the pilot was taking off from a high-density
altitude airport with no flaps, downwind.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Just looking at the video, it did not look like he kept his right boot
firmly enough on the rudder pedal. This is in addition to the possible
issues of gross weight, mixture, and direction of takeoff which were
previously mentioned.

Peter

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:44:54 -0700, Jay Honeck
wrote:

http://fox40.trb.com/

In an amazing coincidence, a Sacramento TV station was at Cameron Park
airport filming background for a story about the crash of a plane that
had departed earlier in the day and caught a second crash on video. Go
to the web site and click on "Cameron Park Plane Crash" on the right
side.

It sure looks like the pilot was taking off from a high-density
altitude airport with no flaps, downwind.

Cameron Park is 1287' from Sea Level. There is probably more of an
issue here than density altitude. I have flown in and out of
Leadville, Colorado and at 9,927' is the highest airport in the US.
Try flying out of there with 3 people in a Piper Cherokee (140).

Here is Cameron Park:
http://www.airnav.com/airport/O61

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message ps.com...
http://fox40.trb.com/

In an amazing coincidence, a Sacramento TV station was at Cameron Park
airport filming background for a story about the crash of a plane that
had departed earlier in the day and caught a second crash on video. Go
to the web site and click on "Cameron Park Plane Crash" on the right
side.

It sure looks like the pilot was taking off from a high-density
altitude airport with no flaps, downwind.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"



Looks like the max temp yesterday was 98°f, pressure was 29.8 or so, winds were out of the south or south-south west.
Don't know what time this happened.
(http://www.weatherunderground.com/hi...sta tename=NA)

DA, worst case was 4360' (http://www.airspace-v.com/ggadgets/densityAltitude.htm)

Also looks like they were taking off 13, so they had a right cross wind.
(http://www.airnav.com/airport/O61)

Don't have a takeoff performance chart for that plane...

On Sep 1, 5:38 am, "Blueskies" wrote:

Looks like the max temp yesterday was 98°f, pressure was 29.8 or so, winds were out of the south or south-south west.

There are no reported winds at that airport and I've never, ever seen
the winds there be the same as in the valley. If you are looking at
temps and wind directions from the sacramento area (which is what you
get on weather.com, etc) you can throw those in the round file. We're
always a bit cooler than Sac and the winds could never be the same
because there is a foothill range between the two and a 1000 foot
elevation difference. You guys on this board are as bad as the people
on the news with wild &*($ guesses that are useless.

Also looks like they were taking off 13, so they had a right cross wind.
(http://www.airnav.com/airport/O61)

No, it was 31.

-Robert

Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Sep 1, 5:38 am, "Blueskies" wrote:

Looks like the max temp yesterday was 98°f, pressure was 29.8 or so, winds were out of the south or south-south west.

There are no reported winds at that airport and I've never, ever seen
the winds there be the same as in the valley. If you are looking at
temps and wind directions from the sacramento area (which is what you
get on weather.com, etc) you can throw those in the round file. We're
always a bit cooler than Sac and the winds could never be the same
because there is a foothill range between the two and a 1000 foot
elevation difference. You guys on this board are as bad as the people
on the news with wild &*($ guesses that are useless.

Yes, almost as bad as people who say that all aircraft engines sputter.

Matt

On Sep 1, 8:59 am, Matt Whiting wrote:

Yes, almost as bad as people who say that all aircraft engines sputter.

Ok, smart guy. Find one NTSB report where the witness said "the engine
sounded great, just like my BMW, it was sputtering or anything".

Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Sep 1, 8:59 am, Matt Whiting wrote:

Yes, almost as bad as people who say that all aircraft engines sputter.

Ok, smart guy. Find one NTSB report where the witness said "the engine
sounded great, just like my BMW, it was sputtering or anything".


I wasn't commenting on what NTSB reports say. I was commenting on your
erroneous statement about aircraft engines.

Matt