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Larry Dighera wrote:
Is airline passenger abuse on the rise as a result of passenger reaction to airline delays? http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-col...r.html?ref=rss Man dies after Taser shock by police at Vancouver airport Last Updated: Sunday, October 14, 2007 | 5:04 PM ET A man in his 40s died early Sunday morning after RCMP jolted him with a Taser at the Vancouver International Airport, police said. Had they physically overcame him without a tazer, and cuffed him, I am betting dollars to donuts that this person would have died as a result of the struggle. People died being taken into custody for multiple reasons before tazers came on the scene. Some, like hogtying, have been found to be harmful. But the underlying cause is a suspect who for whatever reason, places demands on his body that his body cant sustain, causing his heart to fail. Wether its drugs, psychosis or stupidity, in a small group of subjects the result is the same. Tazers have actually been proven to REDUCE injury rates overall, both in suspects AND in officers.. TREMENDOUSLY reduce them, and associated workers comp claims. |
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Larry Dighera wrote:
Is airline passenger abuse on the rise as a result of passenger reaction to airline delays? http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-col...r.html?ref=rss What passenger abuse? The man was out of control until the cops zapped him. He must have had a weak heart... maybe helped along by some chemical recreational aids. You consider controlling a berserk person abuse? What should the cops have tried first? Time out? -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com |
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Larry Dighera wrote:
[ Quoting from news story: ] Airport security called the Mounties for assistance after an unidentified man began pounding on windows and throwing chairs and computer equipment in the customs area shortly after arriving on an international flight at 1:30 a.m., Richmond RCMP Sgt. Pierre Lemaitre told CBC News. Before too many more people pile onto the "he was just being a jerk" bandwagon, I should point out that, based on the reported behavior, there is possibility that the man may have been autistic. |
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On Oct 17, 7:27 am, Jay Honeck wrote:
Normally I loath airprt security. But i hate asshole pax even more.. too good for him, I say! They should do the same to people who talk in movie theatres. Agree. I hate the way these Taser stories are written, with all of their unabashed phony horror and shock. What everyone forgets is that before the Taser the police might have simply shot the guy, or (at best) would have started swinging billy clubs -- risking injury to themselves as well as to the perp. The guy went berserk in a public place, and was a clear and present danger to others. The Mounties did what they thought was best for the public. The guy obviously had some pre-existing condition that caused his ticker to quit. It happens. A couple of summers ago I flew he Mooney up to Vancouver. While at the park with the kids I saw a Canadian officer (mountie, not sure) walking around with a rather large gun. I thought this was interesting because I didn't know they carried guns. I got a little closer and realized what it was. No joke, it was a water gun!! Apparently he was using it to spray an annoying squirrel. I thought the sight was so funny I went back to the rental car to get my camera. Seeing me approach with the camera, the mountie seemed annoyed and walked off. How great would that have been to have caught a Canadian law enforcement officer walking around with a giant side arm that carried water! -Robert |
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On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:01:34 -0500, Dave S
wrote in : Tazers have actually been proven to REDUCE injury rates overall, both in suspects Can you cite any evidence that supports that assertion? AND in officers.. TREMENDOUSLY reduce them, I can see how that would be true. and associated workers comp claims. Well, that's what's important. :-( |
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On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:13:37 -0400, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in : Larry Dighera wrote: Is airline passenger abuse on the rise as a result of passenger reaction to airline delays? http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-col...r.html?ref=rss What passenger abuse? The man was out of control until the cops zapped him. It sounds like the passenger was maniacal well after that. Have you any idea how long a Taser is capable of sustained high-voltage output? Is it controllable by the LEO? Until a dart is removed, I would think the LEO could continue to apply high-voltage until the battery was exhausted. He must have had a weak heart... maybe helped along by some chemical recreational aids. Perhaps. I doubt the coroner will find the passenger to have expired as a result of the Mounties arresting the passenger. It would be interesting to know where the darts hit the passenger. If it was across the chest, I can see how the Taser may have precipitated a heart attack. You consider controlling a berserk person abuse? What should the cops have tried first? Time out? Mace? Wrestle him to the floor? A net? Something with less lethal potential than 100,000 volts? |
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message ... International arrivals were rerouted but there were no delays in flight schedules. Cannot let the small matter of someone's death get in the way of business. |
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Larry Dighera wrote:
Mace? Wrestle him to the floor? A net? Something with less lethal potential than 100,000 volts? 50,000 Volts, 18 Watts and 133 MilliAmps |
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Larry Dighera wrote:
Mace? Wrestle him to the floor? A net? Something with less lethal potential than 100,000 volts? It's easy to make those kinds of suggestions when you're not the one doing the wrestling. It's also easy to avoid being shot with a tazer - don't resist arrest. Probably works 99.99999999% of the time. Disclaimer: This being the internet age and all (thanks Al) there is probably the odd case someone could dig up where a perfectly innocent person who was not resisting arrest was still shot with a tazer. I would suggest that the chance of this happening is statistically far less than say, having your engine fall out of your airplane. BDS |
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Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote: He must have had a weak heart... Yep, just like all those deaths during water boarding. Weak heart. Nobody drowned. Enough of a large portion of society has thes weak heart, perhaps the tazer should be more exclusivly used. This person, while noisy and attacking the furniture, was off in his own area and perhaps they could have waited him out? I thought he could have been is some kind of medical distress. Well it will all be out soon. |
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