Which post-WW2 combat aircraft have not been used in combat?

"Mike Marron" wrote in message
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(Kirk Stant) wrote:

Just for fun, off the top of your heads, which post-WW2 combat
aircraft (any country) have NOT been used in their intended roles in
an actual shooting war (or police action, or soccer riot, or whatever
it's called these days)?

And why?

Some ROE:

1. Combat aircraft means it was designed or modified to employ
air-to-air or air-to-ground/ship/boat weapons.

2. Combat means someone was activily shooting back (or really wanted
to) while the aircraft was performing it's mission.

3. Let's leave out recce, that just gets too complicated!

To start things off, here are my USAF candidates:

B-36 - Held back from Korea for Nuke mission.
B-47 - Too early for Korea, too late for Vietnam (remember, no recce).
F-84F - Too early for Korea (ef considered a separate aircraft from
straight-wing F-84s), too late for Vietnam. Combat use by other
countries?
F-89 - Too late for Korea (?), not needed (no bomber threat).
F-106 - Not needed in Vietnam - F-102s deployed instead.
F-101 (Yeah, I know about the RF-101 in Cuba and Vietnam). Don't know
why F-101Cs weren't used early in Vietnam. Being phased out by then?

Could be wrong, but here goes:

B-36, B-47, F-84F, F-89, F-106, F-101, F-86D, F-94C, Saab Draken, Saab
29, F-4D Skyray, F7U Cutlass, F9F (swept-wing) Cougar, Gloster
Javelin, Avro Vulcan, Handley Page Victor, Supermarine Scimitar, Fiat

Vulcans performed bombing missions in the Falklands and Victors
operated as tankers then and in Gulf War 1


G.91, English Electric Lightning, Dassault Mirage IV, Saab Viggen,
Sukhoi Su-15, Shin Meiwa, Alpha Jet, Folland Gnat, BAe Hawk, Fuji
T1F2, Supermarine Swift, Tupolov Tu-22, Tupulov Tu-26, B-58 Hustler,
Tupolov Tu-16, North American B-45, Hawker Firebrand, Tupolov Tu-20,
Hawker Siddeley Buccaneer, Hawker Sea Vixen, deHavilland Venom,

Buccaneers were operational in the Gulf War and I believe Venoms did
ground attack in Malaya and Sea Venoms operated in Korea

McDonnell F2H-4 Banshee, North American FJ-4B Fury, deHavilland
Vampire, Yakolev Yak-25A, Dassault Ouragen, McDonnell FH-1

Vampires saw service in Korea I think

Phantom, Hawker Sea Fury, Grumman F7F Tigercat, McDonnell
F3H Demon, Supermarine Attacker...

Sea Furies were used off RN carriers in Korea I think.

The Indians have used the attacker against Pakistan I believe


Everything else got lots of chances to do their thing.

At first glance, looks like the US taxpayer is getting a pretty good
deal for his money!

Kirk
(tired of all the non-mil av bull**** on this group)

Same.

Keith Willshaw wrote:

"Mike Marron" wrote in message
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Buccaneers were operational in the Gulf War and I believe Venoms did
ground attack in Malaya and Sea Venoms operated in Korea

No Sea venoms that I'm aware of. Only the Colossus-class light fleets were
deployed to Korea, and they had air groups of Seafires or Sea Furies and
Fireflies.



McDonnell F2H-4 Banshee, North American FJ-4B Fury, deHavilland
Vampire, Yakolev Yak-25A, Dassault Ouragen, McDonnell FH-1

Vampires saw service in Korea I think

Meteor.

Phantom, Hawker Sea Fury, Grumman F7F Tigercat, McDonnell
F3H Demon, Supermarine Attacker...

Sea Furies were used off RN carriers in Korea I think.

Yes, see above.

The Indians have used the attacker against Pakistan I believe

If it happened it was the other way around.

Guy

Guy Alcala wrote in message ...
Keith Willshaw wrote:

"Mike Marron" wrote in message
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snip

Buccaneers were operational in the Gulf War and I believe Venoms did
ground attack in Malaya and Sea Venoms operated in Korea

No Sea venoms that I'm aware of. Only the Colossus-class light fleets were
deployed to Korea, and they had air groups of Seafires or Sea Furies and
Fireflies.

Venoms saw action in Suez 56.




McDonnell F2H-4 Banshee, North American FJ-4B Fury, deHavilland
Vampire, Yakolev Yak-25A, Dassault Ouragen, McDonnell FH-1

Vampires saw service in Korea I think

Meteor.

I believe Vamps were used in combat by Rhodesia and South Africa, and
(possibly) by Jordan , India, and Egypt.

Brooks


Phantom, Hawker Sea Fury, Grumman F7F Tigercat, McDonnell
F3H Demon, Supermarine Attacker...

Sea Furies were used off RN carriers in Korea I think.

Yes, see above.

The Indians have used the attacker against Pakistan I believe

If it happened it was the other way around.

Guy

"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
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Guy Alcala wrote in message
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Keith Willshaw wrote:

"Mike Marron" wrote in message
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snip

Buccaneers were operational in the Gulf War and I believe Venoms did
ground attack in Malaya and Sea Venoms operated in Korea

No Sea venoms that I'm aware of. Only the Colossus-class light fleets
were
deployed to Korea, and they had air groups of Seafires or Sea Furies and
Fireflies.

Venoms saw action in Suez 56.




McDonnell F2H-4 Banshee, North American FJ-4B Fury, deHavilland
Vampire, Yakolev Yak-25A, Dassault Ouragen, McDonnell FH-1

Vampires saw service in Korea I think

Meteor.

I believe Vamps were used in combat by Rhodesia and South Africa, and
(possibly) by Jordan , India, and Egypt.

Brooks

Just read about a clash between Israeli Meteors and Egyptian Vampires last
night in fact. (By which I mean I read about it last night, it happened in
the 50's)

"Guy Alcala" wrote in message
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Keith Willshaw wrote:

"Mike Marron" wrote in message
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snip

Buccaneers were operational in the Gulf War and I believe Venoms did
ground attack in Malaya and Sea Venoms operated in Korea

No Sea venoms that I'm aware of. Only the Colossus-class light fleets
were
deployed to Korea, and they had air groups of Seafires or Sea Furies and
Fireflies.



Quite right they arrived too late for service in Korea now I think
about it, I suspect they were used over Suez though.

Keith

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Keith Willshaw wrote:

"Guy Alcala" wrote in message
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Keith Willshaw wrote:
ground attack in Malaya and Sea Venoms operated in Korea

No Sea venoms that I'm aware of. Only the Colossus-class light fleets
were
deployed to Korea, and they had air groups of Seafires or Sea Furies and
Fireflies.

Quite right they arrived too late for service in Korea now I think
about it, I suspect they were used over Suez though.

From the last asking/reading about that particular mistake, Suez
featured Venoms, (Sea Vemons?), Squarks, Wyverns, Meteors, Valiants
and Canberras. And Vampires, on the Egyptian side, plus some Soviet
types (Tu-16, I think, amongst others)

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Keith Willshaw wrote:
Phantom, Hawker Sea Fury, Grumman F7F Tigercat, McDonnell
F3H Demon, Supermarine Attacker...

Sea Furies were used off RN carriers in Korea I think.

The Indians have used the attacker against Pakistan I believe

They certainly used the Squark - up to the 1980s when they got Harrier,
but I'm not sure they used the Attacker?

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Andy Breen ~ Interplanetary Scintillation Research Group
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"Time has stopped, says the Black Lion clock
and eternity has begun" (Dylan Thomas)

Mike Marron wrote:
(Kirk Stant) wrote:

Just for fun, off the top of your heads, which
post-WW2 combat
aircraft (any country) have NOT been used in
their intended roles in
an actual shooting war (or police action, or
soccer riot, or whatever
it's called these days)?

And why?

Some ROE:

1. Combat aircraft means it was designed or
modified to employ
air-to-air or air-to-ground/ship/boat weapons.

2. Combat means someone was activily shooting
back (or really wanted
to) while the aircraft was performing it's
mission.

3. Let's leave out recce, that just gets too
complicated!

To start things off, here are my USAF candidates:

B-36 - Held back from Korea for Nuke mission.
B-47 - Too early for Korea, too late for Vietnam
(remember, no recce).
F-84F - Too early for Korea (ef considered
a separate aircraft from
straight-wing F-84s), too late for Vietnam.
Combat use by other
countries?
F-89 - Too late for Korea (?), not needed (no
bomber threat).
F-106 - Not needed in Vietnam - F-102s deployed
instead.
F-101 (Yeah, I know about the RF-101 in Cuba
and Vietnam). Don't know
why F-101Cs weren't used early in Vietnam.
Being phased out by then?

Could be wrong, but here goes:

B-36, B-47, F-84F, F-89, F-106, F-101, F-86D,
F-94C, Saab Draken, Saab
29, F-4D Skyray, F7U Cutlass, F9F (swept-wing)
Cougar, Gloster
Javelin, Avro Vulcan, Handley Page Victor, Supermarine
Scimitar, Fiat
G.91, English Electric Lightning, Dassault Mirage
IV, Saab Viggen,
Sukhoi Su-15, Shin Meiwa, Alpha Jet, Folland
Gnat, BAe Hawk, Fuji
T1F2, Supermarine Swift, Tupolov Tu-22, Tupulov
Tu-26, B-58 Hustler,
Tupolov Tu-16, North American B-45, Hawker Firebrand,
Tupolov Tu-20,
Hawker Siddeley Buccaneer, Hawker Sea Vixen,
deHavilland Venom,
McDonnell F2H-4 Banshee, North American FJ-4B
Fury, deHavilland
Vampire, Yakolev Yak-25A, Dassault Ouragen,
McDonnell FH-1
Phantom, Hawker Sea Fury, Grumman F7F Tigercat,
McDonnell
F3H Demon, Supermarine Attacker...

Everything else got lots of chances to do their
thing.

At first glance, looks like the US taxpayer
is getting a pretty good
deal for his money!

Kirk
(tired of all the non-mil av bull**** on this
group)

Same.



A Correction: Tu-16 Badgers have seen combat-by the Iraqis in 1967 against
the Israelis and in 1980-88 against Iran; Soviet Badgers were in Afghanistan.
Libyan Tu-22s have seen combat in Chad, Sudan, and Tanzania. Soviet Tu-22M
(Tu-26) Backfires were used in Afghanistan in 1987-88, and in the first Chechen
campaign. Buccaneers in S.African service saw combat in Angola, Sea Furies
in Korea, Suez, and by the Cubans against the Bay of Pigs force; F7Fs saw
action in Korea, while French F-84Fs were also in Suez.Vulcans flew the Black
Buck missions in the Falklands War, with Victors as Tankers there and in
Desert Storm.
RB-45s flew in Korea.

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In message , Mike Marron
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Could be wrong, but here goes:

F-101,

Did recce over Vietnam, didn't it?

Gloster
Javelin,

Indonesian Confrontation, 1960s

Avro Vulcan,

Black Buck raids, Falklands

Handley Page Victor

Tanking in the Falklands and IIRC the Gulf, plus some "small war"
bombing IIRC.

Fiat
G.91,

English Electric Lightning,

Folland Gnat,

Used in combat by the Indians.

BAe Hawk,

Used by several buyers for COIN against terrorists / ruthless repression
of noble dissidents.

Tupolov Tu-22

Libyan bombing raids vs. Chad, IIRC.

Tupolov Tu-16,

Egyptian raids vs. Israel, and I think Iranian Badgers saw some combat
in the Iran-Iraq war.

Hawker Siddeley Buccaneer

South Africans used them in Namibia, and they also flew combat in Gulf
War '91.

Dassault Ouragen

Used by the Israelis in 1967.

Hawker Sea Fury

Korea.


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"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message ...
In message , Mike Marron
writes
Could be wrong, but here goes:

F-101,

Did recce over Vietnam, didn't it?

The original poster discounted that use, but you are correct--it also
collected bullet holes over Cuba.


Gloster
Javelin,

Indonesian Confrontation, 1960s

Did it shoot at anybody, or get shot at?


Avro Vulcan,

Black Buck raids, Falklands

Ooops! I think I called them "Black Bart"! Too much time wasted
watching "The Simpsons", I guess...


Handley Page Victor

Tanking in the Falklands and IIRC the Gulf, plus some "small war"
bombing IIRC.

Correct on the first two, but I don't think so on the
bombing--confusing it with Valiant, perhaps?


Fiat
G.91,

English Electric Lightning,

Folland Gnat,

Used in combat by the Indians.

BAe Hawk,

Used by several buyers for COIN against terrorists / ruthless repression
of noble dissidents.

Tupolov Tu-22

Libyan bombing raids vs. Chad, IIRC.

I believe you are right--I had the same general recollection.


Tupolov Tu-16,

Egyptian raids vs. Israel, and I think Iranian Badgers saw some combat
in the Iran-Iraq war.

I believe the Egyptians also used them in Yemen.


Hawker Siddeley Buccaneer

South Africans used them in Namibia, and they also flew combat in Gulf
War '91.

Dassault Ouragen

Used by the Israelis in 1967.

Amongst others, IIRC.


Hawker Sea Fury

Korea.

And Cuba.

Brooks