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The Black Monk wrote:

Instead, of course, Hitler's war was a
crusade only for his grotesque and evil ideology, as bad as if not
worse than the Bolshevism he fought.

There is simply no comparison between the explicit genocide
promulgated by the Nazi ideology and the de facto repressive
implementation of "communism" in the USSR. All this talk
about "famine holocausts" is nothing but revisionist and
Nazi apologist drivel especially considering that it originates
from areas that never suffered through any Soviet famine and
which actively supported Hitler during WWII.

From: kirill
Date: 10/21/2003 10:38 PM Central Daylight Time
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The Black Monk wrote:

Instead, of course, Hitler's war was a
crusade only for his grotesque and evil ideology, as bad as if not
worse than the Bolshevism he fought.

There is simply no comparison between the explicit genocide
promulgated by the Nazi ideology and the de facto repressive
implementation of "communism" in the USSR. All this talk
about "famine holocausts" is nothing but revisionist and
Nazi apologist drivel especially considering that it originates
from areas that never suffered through any Soviet famine and
which actively supported Hitler during WWII.

Ok, the Nazis had a semi open program of mass murder (read leibensraum,
transportation to the occupied territories etc) and the Soviets had a secret
program. That does not change the fact that many millions of innocent civilions
were deliberately murdered in both cases. The Nazis only had 12 years vs. the
Lenin-Stalin period's 36. Stalin's gulags were in business before the Nazi
concentration camp system. The gulag system's goldmines gave the average inmate
a life expectansy of 30 days. Stalin starved to death many hundreds of
thousands of people in his collectivization program.Stalins purges killed
millions more. His program of random arrest and vanishings of millions of
people was at least as effective as Hitler's nacht und nebel programs .

Without minimizing Nazi atrocities the Soviets did far worse. Of course the
Soviet system of elimination of "enemies of the state" was simply carrying on
the tradition of the Tsars. Had the Nazis lasted as long as Stalin I would
guess they would have had numbers exceding the Soviet's.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

kirill wrote in message ...
The Black Monk wrote:

Instead, of course, Hitler's war was a
crusade only for his grotesque and evil ideology, as bad as if not
worse than the Bolshevism he fought.

There is simply no comparison between the explicit genocide
promulgated by the Nazi ideology and the de facto repressive
implementation of "communism" in the USSR.

Well, the Nazis were at least honest about their brutality. For the
millions who were sacrificed for the purpose of building the worker's
paradise it is small consolation that some of their murderers thought
that they were building a better world rather than just destroying
subhumans.

All this talk
about "famine holocausts" is nothing but revisionist and
Nazi apologist drivel especially considering that it originates
from areas that never suffered through any Soviet famine and
which actively supported Hitler during WWII.

I dispute the latter statements. OF course talk of the famine was
greatest in areas not under soviet control, where news was suppressed.
My grandfather and a few others - a small minority of people from
"velyka ukrainia" within the diaspora lived through the Famine, had
family that died during it. While obviously the post-Stalin USSR
could not be compared to Nazi Germany (though it was still worse than,
for example, Franco's Spain), Stalinism, and Pol Pot's communism were
not much different.

respectfully,

BM

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kirill wrote in message ...
The Black Monk wrote:



I dispute the latter statements. OF course talk of the famine was
greatest in areas not under soviet control, where news was suppressed.
My grandfather and a few others - a small minority of people from
"velyka ukrainia" within the diaspora lived through the Famine, had
family that died during it. While obviously the post-Stalin USSR
could not be compared to Nazi Germany (though it was still worse than,
for example, Franco's Spain), Stalinism, and Pol Pot's communism were
not much different.

respectfully,



You forgot to add one important detail that your grandpa is cretin.
But if he is cretin his tales are good only for residents of
cretin-houses. Don't forget to remind your grandpa the right address
where he can be understood the best.