Sims

My basis for a judgement is just as valid as anyone else's.

Opinions are opinions, not established facts. That's something that everyone

The point is that you need to have flown both sims and airplanes to be
able to properly opine on the difference between the two. No doubt
sims are useful in many aspects of flying as almost every pilot would
agree but they do not equate to real airplanes. And honestly, even
though sims are fun the first few times, let's face it, the scenery
comes nowhere near what it actually looks like in real life. I have
tried the scenery addons but they are frankly, quite unimpressive
especially as you get closer to the ground when it just becomes
extremely blurry.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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My basis for a judgement is just as valid as anyone else's.

Your basis for judgement comparing aviation with a video game is based on
pure speculation and a complete lack of information. You are the only person
I know of who claims that is a valid basis for judgement.

That's something that everyone needs to learn and understand.

Why, because you think it's a good idea?

Even a pilot with a billion hours of experience is still expressing an
opinion, not an established fact.

There is no possibility for a pilot to have a billion hours of experience.

The distinction is important because decisions made on opinions treated as
facts
are often extremely poor decisions.

Like your decision to continue posting here when NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON has
written that they enjoy reading your crap.

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Ron writes:

At the risk of jumping into the middle of a flame war, I'd like to
offer a few opinions. I fly real airplanes and play with simulators
now and then. Trust me, sims are not close to the real thing. 100%
of "flying" takes place after you leave the ground. All the
sensations of flight are what you feel, hear and see while moving your
airplane around in the sky. It isn't all going from A to B and
watching the scenery unfold on a monitor screen 20 inches in front of
your face. Even full motion multi-million dollar sims are not the
same as "flying". When you fly, if you love to fly, the expense is
secondary and only enters your mind at times when you are not flying
or not thinking about flying.

So do you fly a 747 or a F-18?


What's it matter? You couldn't fly a chuck glider.


I'll give you the point that simulators can be fun, but they pale in
comparison to flying.

That is purely a matter of opinion.



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Bertie

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:53:25 +0100, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Ron writes:

At the risk of jumping into the middle of a flame war, I'd like to
offer a few opinions. I fly real airplanes and play with simulators
now and then. Trust me, sims are not close to the real thing. 100%
of "flying" takes place after you leave the ground. All the
sensations of flight are what you feel, hear and see while moving your
airplane around in the sky. It isn't all going from A to B and
watching the scenery unfold on a monitor screen 20 inches in front of
your face. Even full motion multi-million dollar sims are not the
same as "flying". When you fly, if you love to fly, the expense is
secondary and only enters your mind at times when you are not flying
or not thinking about flying.

So do you fly a 747 or a F-18?

It doesn't matter. Flying is aviating in the air no matter what your
aircraft is.


I'll give you the point that simulators can be fun, but they pale in
comparison to flying.

That is purely a matter of opinion.


Tha's why I said in the beginning of my post "I'd like to offer a few
opinions."

Ron Kelley

Ron writes:

It doesn't matter. Flying is aviating in the air no matter what your
aircraft is.

No, sorry, it's apples and oranges. Flying a tin can doesn't qualify you to
fly a fighter jet or airliner. Flying a fighter jet doesn't qualify you to
fly an airliner or tin can. And so on.

Mxsmanic wrote in
news
Ron writes:

It doesn't matter. Flying is aviating in the air no matter what your
aircraft is.

No, sorry, it's apples and oranges.


It's **** and shinola. Your ass and your elbow..



Flying a tin can doesn't qualify
you to fly a fighter jet or airliner. Flying a fighter jet doesn't
qualify you to fly an airliner or tin can. And so on.



And you aren't qualified to fly a rubbr band powered stick and tissue
model.

Tell you what, you succesfully build and fly one and you can come back with
a frsh opportunity to actually speak as someone who has aviated!



But you won't....

Bertie

On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:42:34 +0100, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Ron writes:

It doesn't matter. Flying is aviating in the air no matter what your
aircraft is.

No, sorry, it's apples and oranges. Flying a tin can doesn't qualify you to
fly a fighter jet or airliner. Flying a fighter jet doesn't qualify you to
fly an airliner or tin can. And so on.


We aren't talking about quaification for flying any aircraft. We are
talking about your inability to compare sims to real flying because
you have no real flying experience.

Simulators are not the same as flying an airplane... ANY aiarplane.
Stop trying to change the subject. It won't work.

Bye.

Ron Kelley

On Dec 15, 10:42 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Ron writes:
It doesn't matter. Flying is aviating in the air no matter what your
aircraft is.

No, sorry, it's apples and oranges. Flying a tin can doesn't qualify you to
fly a fighter jet or airliner. Flying a fighter jet doesn't qualify you to
fly an airliner or tin can. And so on.

Oh?
Only in your twisted world.
Where do you think all those student pilots are headed for?
Real flying hours are the qualification for further licenses and
promotions.
5000 hours in a fighter, 'tin can' or an airliner will get you a very
nice seat in any of the others

"Kyle Boatright" wrote in message
. ..

"LWG" wrote in message
. ..

I got vectored around pretty much the same as when I
fly under the hood. I thought that was absolutely fantastic, and all for
about a nickel's worth of electricity. No instructor or safety pilot
needed.

Yep, but it wasn't flying, which is the whole point, right?

It can make the actual flying/instructing time a bit more productive.

I'm taking LWG's position on this because, just like a "real" simulator,
it's useful to be able to simply back up and do an approach again, or try an
approach with an instrument failure or things you wouldn't want to spend
$100/hr practicing. It's not going to replace actual flight time, but I
found it helpful in practicing the ability to cross-reference instruments in
"IMC" (sort of like the instrument examples in the Instrument written exam.)

Useful for learning the instrument panel and practicing navigation without
outside reference. Definately a secondary or tertiary source; it could
replace neither practical experience or instruction but you can learn to use
an ADF, VORs or the Garmin GPS with it.

Augering is a little easier on the system, too.

-c

"gatt" wrote in
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"Kyle Boatright" wrote in message
. ..

"LWG" wrote in message
. ..

I got vectored around pretty much the same as when I
fly under the hood. I thought that was absolutely fantastic, and all
for about a nickel's worth of electricity. No instructor or safety
pilot needed.

Yep, but it wasn't flying, which is the whole point, right?

It can make the actual flying/instructing time a bit more productive.

I'm taking LWG's position on this because, just like a "real"
simulator, it's useful to be able to simply back up and do an approach
again, or try an approach with an instrument failure or things you
wouldn't want to spend $100/hr practicing. It's not going to replace
actual flight time, but I found it helpful in practicing the ability
to cross-reference instruments in "IMC" (sort of like the instrument
examples in the Instrument written exam.)

Useful for learning the instrument panel and practicing navigation
without outside reference. Definately a secondary or tertiary
source; it could replace neither practical experience or instruction
but you can learn to use an ADF, VORs or the Garmin GPS with it.


There, you've said it..

ADF's are the one thing i've found them fairly useful for, specially if
I haven't done one in a while.


Still, it's not the same...

Bertie