BA 777 crash at Heathrow

On Jan 17, 5:23*pm, "Blueskies" wrote:
What the heck happened? Fuel starvation? Doesn't sound like wind shear could have been an issue.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...30291_apbritai...

All the speculation on here is amusing as usual.

It will most likely turn out to be one of two things:

1. Pilot error (he may try to blame the equipment for his own mistake,
that has happened before).
2. Some system failure, or combination of configurations that resulted
in an unexpected result.

My money is on 1. given that the reports state that the glideslope was
unusual, and he may simply have gotten himself behind the power curve.

We should know what really happened in about two weeks when the
investigators have finished reviewing the flight data recorder and
voice recorder data, along with their interviews of the crew and pax
and inspection of the plane and impact site.

The airplane will probably be flying again within 6 months to a year.
Boeing sent an AOG team to India once to repair a 747 that was damaged
worse than this 777 in a landing accident, and had it flying again in
about that time.

Dean

On 2008-01-18, wrote:
Boeing sent an AOG team
^^^
What's an AOG team?
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"Jay Maynard" wrote in message
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On 2008-01-18, wrote:
Boeing sent an AOG team
^^^
What's an AOG team?
--

"Aircraft On Ground"?

Al G

On Jan 18, 9:58*am, "Al G" wrote:
"Jay Maynard" wrote in message

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On 2008-01-18, wrote:
Boeing sent an AOG team
* * * * * * * * ^^^
What's an AOG team?
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* * "Aircraft On Ground"?

Al *G

Yes, AOG is airplane on ground. Replacement parts marked AOG are
given the highest priority of any cargo by airlines when they are
shipped, even higher than medical. Keeping an airplane on the ground
costs $$$, and everyone in the business knows that.

Dean

On Jan 18, 11:42 am, wrote:
On Jan 18, 9:58 am, "Al G" wrote:

"Jay Maynard" wrote in message

m...

On 2008-01-18, wrote:
Boeing sent an AOG team
^^^
What's an AOG team?
--

"Aircraft On Ground"?

Al G

Yes, AOG is airplane on ground. Replacement parts marked AOG are
given the highest priority of any cargo by airlines when they are
shipped, even higher than medical. Keeping an airplane on the ground
costs $$$, and everyone in the business knows that.

Dean

It looks like that airframe is destined for the scrap heap, wings,
body all look shot.

Jay Maynard wrote in
:

On 2008-01-18, wrote:
Boeing sent an AOG team
^^^
What's an AOG team?

Aircraft On Ground. That one fits the description if any one ever did.


Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message .. .
Jay Maynard wrote in
:

On 2008-01-18, wrote:
Boeing sent an AOG team
^^^
What's an AOG team?

Aircraft On Ground. That one fits the description if any one ever did.


Bertie

Boy, that's for sure!

On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:02:45 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

Jay Maynard wrote in
m:

On 2008-01-18, wrote:
Boeing sent an AOG team
^^^
What's an AOG team?

Aircraft On Ground. That one fits the description if any one ever did.


Bertie
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Bertie

Air Force used AOCP (Aircraft Out (of) Commission, Parts). Highest
priority.

When I was in PANAMA and we had a bird broken down country we would
take the part and hand to an Airline Pilot going that way (Braniff
many times) who carried in cockpit and handed to the aircrew of our
broken bird. These parts did not go through customs as bird would sit
there for weeks to get part released.

We also helped them the same way if we could. I remember loaning them
parts which they then paid us back from their US stock.. No money
changed hands as all a gentlemans agreement.

Big John

Big John wrote in
:

On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:02:45 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

Jay Maynard wrote in
om:

On 2008-01-18, wrote:
Boeing sent an AOG team
^^^
What's an AOG team?

Aircraft On Ground. That one fits the description if any one ever did.


Bertie
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Bertie

Air Force used AOCP (Aircraft Out (of) Commission, Parts). Highest
priority.

When I was in PANAMA and we had a bird broken down country we would
take the part and hand to an Airline Pilot going that way (Braniff
many times) who carried in cockpit and handed to the aircrew of our
broken bird. These parts did not go through customs as bird would sit
there for weeks to get part released.

We also helped them the same way if we could. I remember loaning them
parts which they then paid us back from their US stock.. No money
changed hands as all a gentlemans agreement.

I think this is ICAO. You often see AOG tagged on crates going cargo. As
another poster said, it's given high priority during shipment.


Bertie

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On Jan 17, 5:23*pm, "Blueskies" wrote:
What the heck happened? Fuel starvation? Doesn't sound like wind
shear cou
ld have been an issue.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...30291_apbritai.
..

All the speculation on here is amusing as usual.

It will most likely turn out to be one of two things:

1. Pilot error (he may try to blame the equipment for his own mistake,
that has happened before).
2. Some system failure, or combination of configurations that resulted
in an unexpected result.

My money is on 1. given that the reports state that the glideslope was
unusual, and he may simply have gotten himself behind the power curve.

Nah,the power curve not as big an issue these days. Spool up times are
almost as fast as pistons and it probably had some sort of Alpha floor
protection anyway. I'll know shortly because I'll be talking to a 777
friend this afternoon.



Bertie