Cessna 152 spin integrity

On Jan 26, 8:49*am, wrote:
So, no, I don't know absolutely the danger of spinning a 152 and have
been "taught" different views...which is the purpose of my post. I
guess the knowledge I should have as a commercial pilot is not only
rusty, but was cut way short by the cheap school I chose.

Ricky- Hide quoted text -

I betcha you could go up and so some spins in the 150 over at
McGregor. I know at least one of the instructors over there does that
on occasion.

Is it Keith H. (last name abbreviated on purpose) you know? He's an
instructor at Aurora and is a good friend of mine.

Good to know Aurora has a 150 that they'll allow spins in. As soon as
the pocketbook allows I'll get my BFR over there.
I heard they also have a new generation 172 (not a glass cockpit, just
new).

Ricky

Good to know Aurora has a 150 that they'll allow spins in. As soon as
the pocketbook allows I'll get my BFR over there.
I heard they also have a new generation 172 (not a glass cockpit, just
new).

Ricky

I met Keith briefly once recently.

Hmm. Well, I don't know if they allow spins without instructor -- UFC
does.

I was thinking of Travis, who told me he sometimes goes and does a
spin or two in the 150 "to blow off steam". But I didn't ask if they
allow spins as a rule. That was my checkride plane, by the way.
Switched from AUS to PWG at the last minute. Not a recommended
procedure, a last minute type switch-a-roo, by-the-by!

Glass 172 is pricey, compared to my club.

"Ricky" wrote in message
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I was watching the 50-something spins done in a 152 on youtube and it
got me thinking;

I seem to remember being taught during commercial training that spins
do not greatly increase G forces on the airplane, is this true?

I also remember being warned "no spin is exactly the same or
predictable, so DON'T do them solo! Was this just a warning from my
school so we wouldn't screw up their gyros or are spins indeed
possibly very dangerous inherently for some reason?

I would like to try some solo next time I'm up just for fun but may
take a willing CFI along (or fellow pilot) just in case.

Would 50-something spins compromise a Cessna 150 or 152's structure?

Another thing I'd be concerned about was getting overly dizzy beyond a
handful of spins.

Ricky

I Spin my 150-M all the time solo it's fun do it in an area where a landing
can be made with out harm just incase.

As an 80 year old ex-pilot, I am astonished at all this talk about spins by
presumibly experienced pilots! When I went thru training a century ago, we
did spins before we soloed! Of course, virtually every aircraft in that day
was prone to inadvertant spins, whereas GA aircraft today are almost
incapable of spinning. In addition, we were recovering from unusual
attitudes under the hood (needle, ball and airspeed, no gyros) and
recovering from inverted with minimum loss of altitude (don't remember what
the minimum was at the time, but it wasn't much) before we were signed off
as competent of unconditional flight.

I really enjoy this NG, learning a lot about all the aids and equipment
available nowdays, and especially enjoy the discussions on airmanship.

They grounded my ass quite some time ago, but my heart is still in the air.

birdog wrote:
As an 80 year old ex-pilot, I am astonished at all this talk about spins by
presumibly experienced pilots! When I went thru training a century ago, we
did spins before we soloed! Of course, virtually every aircraft in that day
was prone to inadvertant spins, whereas GA aircraft today are almost
incapable of spinning. In addition, we were recovering from unusual
attitudes under the hood (needle, ball and airspeed, no gyros) and
recovering from inverted with minimum loss of altitude (don't remember what
the minimum was at the time, but it wasn't much) before we were signed off
as competent of unconditional flight.

I really enjoy this NG, learning a lot about all the aids and equipment
available nowdays, and especially enjoy the discussions on airmanship.

They grounded my ass quite some time ago, but my heart is still in the air.


Your points are well taken, but in the interest of clarity, I wouldn't
make the comparison between the GA planes of yesterday and today going
quite so far as to say the GA planes today are "almost incapable of
spinning". This simply isn't true, and if the two aerodynamic factors
required for a spin to occur are present, (stall and yaw), the vast
majority of the current crop of the GA fleet will indeed spin.


--
Dudley Henriques

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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birdog wrote:
As an 80 year old ex-pilot, I am astonished at all this talk about spins
by presumibly experienced pilots! When I went thru training a century
ago, we did spins before we soloed! Of course, virtually every aircraft
in that day was prone to inadvertant spins, whereas GA aircraft today are
almost incapable of spinning. In addition, we were recovering from
unusual attitudes under the hood (needle, ball and airspeed, no gyros)
and recovering from inverted with minimum loss of altitude (don't
remember what the minimum was at the time, but it wasn't much) before we
were signed off as competent of unconditional flight.

I really enjoy this NG, learning a lot about all the aids and equipment
available nowdays, and especially enjoy the discussions on airmanship.

They grounded my ass quite some time ago, but my heart is still in the
air.
Your points are well taken, but in the interest of clarity, I wouldn't
make the comparison between the GA planes of yesterday and today going
quite so far as to say the GA planes today are "almost incapable of
spinning". This simply isn't true, and if the two aerodynamic factors
required for a spin to occur are present, (stall and yaw), the vast
majority of the current crop of the GA fleet will indeed spin.


--
Dudley Henriques

Point well taken. Most of my latter day flying was Tripacers, Cessnas,
Bellancas, Mooneys - not aircraft you would take up to practice aerobatics.
Along the way an Aerobat and a Citabra for foolish endevours. Had an 7AC
Champ that would NOT spin solo. Had an old P51 pilot try it, among others.

birdog wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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birdog wrote:
As an 80 year old ex-pilot, I am astonished at all this talk about spins
by presumibly experienced pilots! When I went thru training a century
ago, we did spins before we soloed! Of course, virtually every aircraft
in that day was prone to inadvertant spins, whereas GA aircraft today are
almost incapable of spinning. In addition, we were recovering from
unusual attitudes under the hood (needle, ball and airspeed, no gyros)
and recovering from inverted with minimum loss of altitude (don't
remember what the minimum was at the time, but it wasn't much) before we
were signed off as competent of unconditional flight.

I really enjoy this NG, learning a lot about all the aids and equipment
available nowdays, and especially enjoy the discussions on airmanship.

They grounded my ass quite some time ago, but my heart is still in the
air.
Your points are well taken, but in the interest of clarity, I wouldn't
make the comparison between the GA planes of yesterday and today going
quite so far as to say the GA planes today are "almost incapable of
spinning". This simply isn't true, and if the two aerodynamic factors
required for a spin to occur are present, (stall and yaw), the vast
majority of the current crop of the GA fleet will indeed spin.


--
Dudley Henriques

Point well taken. Most of my latter day flying was Tripacers, Cessnas,
Bellancas, Mooneys - not aircraft you would take up to practice aerobatics.
Along the way an Aerobat and a Citabra for foolish endevours. Had an 7AC
Champ that would NOT spin solo. Had an old P51 pilot try it, among others.


You and I probably learned to fly around the same period. It's funny
about the "old P51 pilot" and the Champ. I have a few hours in P51's
myself and have spun the Champ many times. I can't explain why the 7AC
you are referring to wouldn't spin, but I've never had problems spinning
them. The only variable I can see in the Champ equation might have been
pilot weight and fuel, but I've never run into this issue with a Champ.
There are several Champ owners on the forum who might be able to shed
some light on why yours wouldn't spin.


--
Dudley Henriques