Minimum rates of climb/descent for VFR

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Michael Ash wrote in
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In rec.aviation.student Gig 601XL Builder
wrote:
WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 15, 12:31 am, "John" wrote:
No there are no regulations for climb or descent rates for VFR
flight.
Err I don't think that's 100% correct but it will do for MX.
Please then for my benefit point me to such a regulation.
Technically speaking, it is illegal to descend faster than about
25,000fpm (needs to be adjusted based on density, since it's give in
terms of indicated airspeed) when below 10,000ft. I doubt too many
flights would need to worry about this limitation.

Or climb!


But in fact this can be waived and very frequently is.


Bertie


Well personally I would never try do descent faster than 25,000ftm below
10,000 feet, well actually I wouldn't above either....... ;-)

Flydive wrote in :

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Michael Ash wrote in
:

In rec.aviation.student Gig 601XL Builder

wrote:
WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 15, 12:31 am, "John" wrote:
No there are no regulations for climb or descent rates for VFR
flight.
Err I don't think that's 100% correct but it will do for MX.
Please then for my benefit point me to such a regulation.
Technically speaking, it is illegal to descend faster than about
25,000fpm (needs to be adjusted based on density, since it's give in
terms of indicated airspeed) when below 10,000ft. I doubt too many
flights would need to worry about this limitation.

Or climb!


But in fact this can be waived and very frequently is.


Bertie


Well personally I would never try do descent faster than 25,000ftm
below
10,000 feet, well actually I wouldn't above either....... ;-)


Wuss!

Sheesh. It's hard to imagine anything non-military that could do it
anyway! The BD10 was supposed to have had a ROC of 33,000 FPM with the
larger engine, but there can't be much else capable of it.



Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Michael Ash wrote in
:

In rec.aviation.student Gig 601XL Builder
wrote:
WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 15, 12:31 am, "John" wrote:
No there are no regulations for climb or descent rates for VFR
flight.
Err I don't think that's 100% correct but it will do for MX.
Please then for my benefit point me to such a regulation.
Technically speaking, it is illegal to descend faster than about
25,000fpm (needs to be adjusted based on density, since it's give in
terms of indicated airspeed) when below 10,000ft. I doubt too many
flights would need to worry about this limitation.

Or climb!


But in fact this can be waived and very frequently is.


Bertie



It is an absolute violation to ascend or descend faster 186,000mps. But
feel free to try and let me know the outcome.

Gig 601XL Builder wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Michael Ash wrote in
:

In rec.aviation.student Gig 601XL Builder

wrote:
WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 15, 12:31 am, "John" wrote:
No there are no regulations for climb or descent rates for VFR
flight.
Err I don't think that's 100% correct but it will do for MX.
Please then for my benefit point me to such a regulation.
Technically speaking, it is illegal to descend faster than about
25,000fpm (needs to be adjusted based on density, since it's give in
terms of indicated airspeed) when below 10,000ft. I doubt too many
flights would need to worry about this limitation.

Or climb!


But in fact this can be waived and very frequently is.


Bertie



It is an absolute violation to ascend or descend faster 186,000mps.
But
feel free to try and let me know the outcome.


That may change this year....


Bertie

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Michael Ash wrote in
:
In rec.aviation.student Gig 601XL Builder
wrote:
WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 15, 12:31 am, "John" wrote:
No there are no regulations for climb or descent rates for VFR
flight.
Err I don't think that's 100% correct but it will do for MX.
Please then for my benefit point me to such a regulation.
Technically speaking, it is illegal to descend faster than about
25,000fpm (needs to be adjusted based on density, since it's give in
terms of indicated airspeed) when below 10,000ft. I doubt too many
flights would need to worry about this limitation.

Or climb!

But in fact this can be waived and very frequently is.

Bertie



It is an absolute violation to ascend or descend faster 186,000mps. But
feel free to try and let me know the outcome.

Not if you and your airplane are massless.

In rec.aviation.student Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Michael Ash wrote in
:

In rec.aviation.student Gig 601XL Builder
wrote:
WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 15, 12:31 am, "John" wrote:
No there are no regulations for climb or descent rates for VFR
flight.

Err I don't think that's 100% correct but it will do for MX.

Please then for my benefit point me to such a regulation.

Technically speaking, it is illegal to descend faster than about
25,000fpm (needs to be adjusted based on density, since it's give in
terms of indicated airspeed) when below 10,000ft. I doubt too many
flights would need to worry about this limitation.

Or climb!

Even fewer planes have to worry about that one!

It's interesting to consider that this limit wouldn't even be broken by a
skydiver who hadn't opened his chute yet.

But in fact this can be waived and very frequently is.

It seems just about any of them can be waived if you talk to the right
people and have a good enough case. I guess this one is particularly easy
though.

--
Michael Ash
Rogue Amoeba Software

Michael Ash wrote in
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In rec.aviation.student Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Michael Ash wrote in
:

In rec.aviation.student Gig 601XL Builder
wrote:
WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 15, 12:31 am, "John" wrote:
No there are no regulations for climb or descent rates for VFR
flight.

Err I don't think that's 100% correct but it will do for MX.

Please then for my benefit point me to such a regulation.

Technically speaking, it is illegal to descend faster than about
25,000fpm (needs to be adjusted based on density, since it's give in
terms of indicated airspeed) when below 10,000ft. I doubt too many
flights would need to worry about this limitation.

Or climb!

Even fewer planes have to worry about that one!

It's interesting to consider that this limit wouldn't even be broken
by a skydiver who hadn't opened his chute yet.

But in fact this can be waived and very frequently is.

It seems just about any of them can be waived if you talk to the right
people and have a good enough case. I guess this one is particularly
easy though.

Well, in some cases it's taken as a given. Some heavies go faster than
that clean on departure, for instance. But ATC can give on the spot
dispensation for flow control or on request.


Bertie

On Feb 15, 9:40*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Michael Ash wrote :

In rec.aviation.student Gig 601XL Builder
wrote:
WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 15, 12:31 am, "John" wrote:
No there are no regulations for climb or descent rates for VFR
flight.

Err I don't think that's 100% correct but it will do for MX.

Please then for my benefit point me to such a regulation.

Technically speaking, it is illegal to descend faster than about
25,000fpm (needs to be adjusted based on density, since it's give in
terms of indicated airspeed) when below 10,000ft. I doubt too many
flights would need to worry about this limitation.

Or climb!

But in fact this can be waived and very frequently is.


Damn jet jockies. :-)))

Cheers

On Feb 15, 9:40 am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Michael Ash wrote
:


Technically speaking, it is illegal to descend faster than about
25,000fpm (needs to be adjusted based on density, since it's give in
terms of indicated airspeed) when below 10,000ft. I doubt too many
flights would need to worry about this limitation.


Or climb!

But in fact this can be waived and very frequently is.


No. The 250 KIAS speed limit can be waived but very seldom is.

On Feb 15, 9:39*am, Michael Ash wrote:
In rec.aviation.student Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

WingFlaps wrote:
On Feb 15, 12:31 am, "John" wrote:
No there are no regulations for climb or descent rates for VFR flight.

Err I don't think that's 100% correct but it will do for MX.

Please then for my benefit point me to such a regulation.

Technically speaking, it is illegal to descend faster than about 25,000fpm
(needs to be adjusted based on density, since it's give in terms of
indicated airspeed) when below 10,000ft. I doubt too many flights would
need to worry about this limitation.


You've got it! Also Vne is usually a lot slower than that for most GA.
There are other "tricky" examples I can think of.

Cheers