negative dihedral

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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I think there have been a couple of straight wing airplanes wiht
anhedral, but I can't picture one off the top of my head. Surely
everything that can be tried, has been tried at this stage!


Bertie

Have you tried a lobotomy?

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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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I think there have been a couple of straight wing airplanes wiht
anhedral, but I can't picture one off the top of my head. Surely
everything that can be tried, has been tried at this stage!


Bertie

Have you tried a lobotomy?




No. Will I make lots of blank poasts and continue to fight absolutely
lost causes afterwards?


Bertie

on 6/3/2008 10:35 PM Bertie the Bunyip said the following:
I think there have been a couple of straight wing airplanes wiht
anhedral, but I can't picture one off the top of my head. Surely
everything that can be tried, has been tried at this stage!

The Lockheed F-104, perhaps?

Rich Ahrens wrote in news:484753e0$0$76834
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on 6/3/2008 10:35 PM Bertie the Bunyip said the following:
I think there have been a couple of straight wing airplanes wiht
anhedral, but I can't picture one off the top of my head. Surely
everything that can be tried, has been tried at this stage!

The Lockheed F-104, perhaps?


Yep, dats one. i have no idea what the anhedral does on that, but I'm going
to take a blind stab at area rule.

Bertie

On Jun 4, 2:30*pm, Tina wrote:
On Jun 3, 10:25 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:



Tina wrote in news:d9fb071f-4d30-45c3-916d-
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I understand how positive dihedral helps dynamic stability in
airplanes, but some big ones, like the Russian An 124 Condor, has a
pronounced negative dihedral -- the wings have a noticeable downward
slope.

That's called Anhedral..

Q1: Do those airplanes need active fly by wire controls to maintain
stability, or is something else at play that keeps them right side up?

Nope.

Q2: Does anyone have a design rationalization *for such a
configuration, as opposed to just zero dihedral? I can appreciate why
fighters have it -- they exploit lack of aerodynamic stability for
rapid *maneuvers -- but transports that spend their whole life being
straight and level are another issue.

Well, the anhedral negates what can be excessive stability that comes
form the sweep of the wings. Sweep provides a very similar kind of
stability as does dihedral and the addition of anhedral negates some of
this and keeps the airplane form becoming so stable that it can't even
be maneuvered!
Most of the airplanes with pronounced anhedral are high wing and would
have parasol stability as well. The anhedral helps neutralise some of
that. Some low wing Russian jets have anhedral, but it's quite small
Their sweep is quite marked and the anhedral is there to ammeliarate
that. The 727 had a fairly radical sweep and you will notice, that
though it has dihedral it's very little compared to the 737 or similar.

Note: I have not morphed into an Mx clone!

We'll know for sure if you tell me this answer is completely wrong
because your MSFS 172 doesn't have anhedral.

Bertie

Only after a very hard landing would a 172 develop negative dihedral.
A Mooney, on the other hand, given the placement of the wheels, would
either increase its positive dihedral, or more likely, given how
strongly they are built, put a dent in the runway.

With those struts I would expect polyanhedral!

Cheers

On Jun 3, 3:13*pm, Tina wrote:
I understand how positive dihedral helps dynamic stability in
airplanes, but some big ones, like the Russian An 124 Condor, has a
pronounced negative dihedral -- the wings have a noticeable downward
slope.

Q1: Do those airplanes need active fly by wire controls to maintain
stability, or is something else at play that keeps them right side up?

Q2: Does anyone have a design rationalization *for such a
configuration, as opposed to just zero dihedral? I can appreciate why
fighters have it -- they exploit lack of aerodynamic stability for
rapid *maneuvers -- but transports that spend their whole life being
straight and level are another issue.

Negative dihedral provides a place to hang bombs ala the USNavy's A-7
Corsair II.

-Robert

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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On Jun 3, 3:13 pm, Tina wrote:
I understand how positive dihedral helps dynamic stability in
airplanes, but some big ones, like the Russian An 124 Condor, has a
pronounced negative dihedral -- the wings have a noticeable downward
slope.

Q1: Do those airplanes need active fly by wire controls to maintain
stability, or is something else at play that keeps them right side up?

Q2: Does anyone have a design rationalization for such a
configuration, as opposed to just zero dihedral? I can appreciate why
fighters have it -- they exploit lack of aerodynamic stability for
rapid maneuvers -- but transports that spend their whole life being
straight and level are another issue.

Negative dihedral provides a place to hang bombs ala the USNavy's A-7
Corsair II.

-Robert



Don't forget the Harrier also...

On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 22:53:30 -0700 (PDT), "Robert M. Gary"
wrote:

Q2: Does anyone have a design rationalization *for such a
configuration, as opposed to just zero dihedral? I can appreciate why
fighters have it -- they exploit lack of aerodynamic stability for
rapid *maneuvers -- but transports that spend their whole life being
straight and level are another issue.

Negative dihedral provides a place to hang bombs ala the USNavy's A-7
Corsair II.

Yeah, there's no way you could hang bombs on a wing with positive dihedral, like
the A-1 Skyraider. :-)

Ron Wanttaja

On Jun 5, 6:54*am, Ron Wanttaja wrote:

Yeah, there's no way you could hang bombs on a wing with positive dihedral, like
the A-1 Skyraider. :-)

Are you comparing the BB's that the A-1 carried with the real toys
that the A-7 held?

-Robert

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in news:fe88d496-d08f-4a7f-8a0a-
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On Jun 3, 3:13*pm, Tina wrote:
I understand how positive dihedral helps dynamic stability in
airplanes, but some big ones, like the Russian An 124 Condor, has a
pronounced negative dihedral -- the wings have a noticeable downward
slope.

Q1: Do those airplanes need active fly by wire controls to maintain
stability, or is something else at play that keeps them right side up?

Q2: Does anyone have a design rationalization *for such a
configuration, as opposed to just zero dihedral? I can appreciate why
fighters have it -- they exploit lack of aerodynamic stability for
rapid *maneuvers -- but transports that spend their whole life being
straight and level are another issue.

Negative dihedral provides a place to hang bombs ala the USNavy's A-7
Corsair II.



Uh. OK



Bertie