Obama/Marx

Orval Fairbairn wrote:
Here is a link to the Obama/Marx story (and it is pretty damning):

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/2289

Several points:

(0) Nothing about this is aviation related.

(1) The article was originally published by an organization called AIM:
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor/

(2) The article claims that "The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii
from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close
relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his
"poetry"...." But Obama was born in 1961 in Hawaii. He was in fifth
grade in 1971 and graduated high school in 1979. He was living with his
maternal grandparents at the time.

(3) The article says more about things that happened _prior_ to Obama's
birth than about Obama's actual _positions_ (e.g. events in 1939(!),
1951(!), the fifties, etc.) Obama's actual legislative impact as a
senator is openly available and it seems to be only moderately left of
the middle (e.g. Obama supported legislation which would provide
incentives for creation of coal-to-liquid fuel plants to help reduce
dependence on foreign oil[1]; on the other hand has called for universal
health care[2]).

(4) The author of the article, Cliff Kincaid, is alleged to have made
false claims in the past, as claimed he
http://mediamatters.org/items/200512100001

[1] http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...010901503.html
Obama spokesman: "Illinois basin coal has more untapped
energy potential than the oil reserves of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait
combined. Senator Obama believes it is crucial that we invest in
technologies to use these resources to reduce our dependence on foreign
oil."

[2] http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/p...ealthcare.html

On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:58:54 -0500, Jim Logajan
wrote in :

(4) The author of the article, Cliff Kincaid, is alleged to have made
false claims in the past, as claimed he
http://mediamatters.org/items/200512100001

Wow! That's about what I suspected.

The Swift Boaters are a busy lot: http://mediamatters.org/index

In article ,
Larry Dighera wrote:

On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:58:54 -0500, Jim Logajan
wrote in :

(4) The author of the article, Cliff Kincaid, is alleged to have made
false claims in the past, as claimed he
http://mediamatters.org/items/200512100001

Wow! That's about what I suspected.

The Swift Boaters are a busy lot: http://mediamatters.org/index

If you don't like erase the message, kill the messenger!

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Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article ,
Larry Dighera wrote:

On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:58:54 -0500, Jim Logajan
wrote in :

(4) The author of the article, Cliff Kincaid, is alleged to have made
false claims in the past, as claimed he
http://mediamatters.org/items/200512100001

Wow! That's about what I suspected.

The Swift Boaters are a busy lot: http://mediamatters.org/index

If you don't like erase the message, kill the messenger!

Eh? I have no intention of voting for Obama - but not because I believe he
is a Marxist, which he does not appear to be by my understanding of the
definition of that term. I will be voting Libertarian. (I'm guessing if
Obama were elected his policies would be similar to those of the Clinton
administration.)

The message from the messenger you quoted didn't prove a thing re Obama
being a Marxist. Sorry.

On 2008-06-25, Jim Logajan wrote:
Eh? I have no intention of voting for Obama - but not because I believe he
is a Marxist, which he does not appear to be by my understanding of the
definition of that term. I will be voting Libertarian. (I'm guessing if
Obama were elected his policies would be similar to those of the Clinton
administration.)

A vote for Bob Barr is a vote for Obama.

Either Obama or McCain will be elected. Voting for someone else will simply
take votes away from the candidate of the two that you might find more
acceptable.
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Recently, Jay Maynard posted:

On 2008-06-25, Jim Logajan wrote:
Eh? I have no intention of voting for Obama - but not because I
believe he is a Marxist, which he does not appear to be by my
understanding of the definition of that term. I will be voting
Libertarian. (I'm guessing if Obama were elected his policies would
be similar to those of the Clinton administration.)

A vote for Bob Barr is a vote for Obama.

Either Obama or McCain will be elected. Voting for someone else will
simply take votes away from the candidate of the two that you might
find more acceptable.

A vote for a candidate that you don't want is a wasted vote. One's vote is
their "hat in the ring", and it should represent their point of view. In a
situation where none of the candidates that one wants is likely to be
elected, the worst choice is to misrepresent one's point of view.

Jay Maynard wrote:
A vote for Bob Barr is a vote for Obama.

Either Obama or McCain will be elected. Voting for someone else will
simply take votes away from the candidate of the two that you might
find more acceptable.

Circular reasoning. When performed by persons untrained in logic in IMC a
graveyard spiral will result.

On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:43:48 -0500, Jim Logajan
wrote in :

Jay Maynard wrote:
A vote for Bob Barr is a vote for Obama.

Either Obama or McCain will be elected. Voting for someone else will
simply take votes away from the candidate of the two that you might
find more acceptable.

Circular reasoning. When performed by persons untrained in logic in IMC a
graveyard spiral will result.

But, if you hadn't voted for Nader, who would be president now?

In article , Jay Maynard
says...

On 2008-06-25, Jim Logajan wrote:
Eh? I have no intention of voting for Obama - but not because I believe he
is a Marxist, which he does not appear to be by my understanding of the
definition of that term. I will be voting Libertarian. (I'm guessing if
Obama were elected his policies would be similar to those of the Clinton
administration.)

A vote for Bob Barr is a vote for Obama.

Either Obama or McCain will be elected.

Before Obama can be elected he has to live through Election Day

Voting for someone else will simply
take votes away from the candidate of the two that you might find more
acceptable.


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