Is Rafale dead?

"Jim Herring" a écrit dans le message de news:
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nemo wrote:

Your stuborness...

Let's see. You call yourself "nemo". That must be from a brightly
colored fish that flaunts itself and then yells help and retreats from
danger to the arms of a sea anemone for protection.

No, that must from the latin "nemo" for "nobody".

Um, that sounds french. It sure isn't a fictional submarine captain with
some ethics.
As, that wouldn't be french.

A smartass devoid of any cultural knowledge which has to retreat to cartoon
movies to find arguments. Um, that sounds american.

Don't worry Jim, I'm sure some day Disney will make a movie which will
enable you to learn a few latin words.

Cheers from Paris,
--
Pierre-Henri Baras
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On or about Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:03:31 -0600, Jim Herring
allegedly uttered:

nemo wrote:

Your stuborness...

Let's see. You call yourself "nemo". That must be from a brightly
colored fish that flaunts itself and then yells help and retreats from
danger to the arms of a sea anemone for protection. Um, that sounds
french.

Uhh no. Nemo is a US written and produced picture.

It sure isn't a fictional submarine captain with some ethics.
As, that wouldn't be french.

And again you're of the mark - you may not be aware, but the author of
20k leagues under the sea was, in fact, French. And one of the most
successful author of his time.

But don't let that get in the way of your blind hatred of the French,
not your ad homeneim attacks based on a posters posting name.

---
Peter Kemp

Life is short - Drink Faster

Go and learn latin language...and you will perhaps, if you get more than
a neurone, what's mean Nemo

Date: 12/25/2003 11:35 PM Central Standard Time

The Germans claim that they only lost 60,000 men while taking France,
and the French claim that they lost 300,000 men to the Germans.
Something about those numbers seems suspicious. If that many Frenchman
really died it must have been from incompetance.


They had incompetent senior staff. The fighting men were able and felt betrayed
by their own officers.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

From: Hobo

My point is that the Russians were willing to give Nazi Germany all the
help they asked for. Nothing the Russians did was to help anyone else.
Everything the US did was of no direct benefit to the US and was only
done to help the world. The French and Russians can't say that and the
French can't even say that they fought very hard.

Stalin was buying time. As screwy as he was he knew war was inevitable yet was
surprised when the invasion started.

The U.S. may have helped but there is no way you can say it had no direct
benefit to the U.S. since war with Germany was also inevitable once the Germans
declared war on the U.S. 11 December 1941. The French soldiers fought extremely
hard but failed due to poor leadership.

I have no love for most things French. Unlike you I have bothered to learn what
actually happened. The French and British had a plan of action based on no
attack through the Ardennes. They stuck to it ridgidly until it was too late.

If you think the U.S. planning was near perfect how come the Germans managed to
attack through the same place the Brits and French thought they couldn't 3
years before? Remember the battle of the bulge? The Germans went through the
Ardennes. They pushed right through American forces there as easily as they
had done the French earlier. Are you going to tell us the U.S. forces didn't
fight very hard?

Your conclusions aren't based on ground combat experience, are they?

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

"B2431" wrote
From: Hobo

My point is that the Russians were willing to give Nazi Germany all the
help they asked for. Nothing the Russians did was to help anyone else.
Everything the US did was of no direct benefit to the US and was only
done to help the world. The French and Russians can't say that and the
French can't even say that they fought very hard.

Stalin was buying time. As screwy as he was he knew war was inevitable yet
was
surprised when the invasion started.

If he was buying time, he had an odd way of showing it. The historical
record is clear: he had anyone who said that the Reich was preparing to
invade the USSR recalled and shot. I think that Stalin was barking mad.

From: "Paul F Austin"
Date: 12/26/2003 8:43 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:


"B2431" wrote
From: Hobo

My point is that the Russians were willing to give Nazi Germany all the
help they asked for. Nothing the Russians did was to help anyone else.
Everything the US did was of no direct benefit to the US and was only
done to help the world. The French and Russians can't say that and the
French can't even say that they fought very hard.

Stalin was buying time. As screwy as he was he knew war was inevitable yet
was
surprised when the invasion started.

If he was buying time, he had an odd way of showing it. The historical
record is clear: he had anyone who said that the Reich was preparing to
invade the USSR recalled and shot. I think that Stalin was barking mad.

Agreed. I never said Stalin was playing with a full deck, but he was aware
there would ultimately be war with Germany. On the other hand he seems to have
genuinely respected and trusted Hitler. The guy was cracked.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

From: Hobo

If you think the U.S. planning was near perfect how come the Germans
managed to attack through the same place the Brits and French thought they
couldn't 3 years before? Remember the battle of the bulge? The Germans went
through the Ardennes. They pushed right through American forces there as
easily as they had done the French earlier.

That's a lie. The Americans stopped the Germans during the Battle of the
Bulge. We didn't just crap our pants and quit because the Germans came
from an unexpected direction.

The 101st Airborne held Bastogne against the Germans even though they
were a lightly equiped paratrooper unit fighting against tanks, so the
difference between the American response and that of the French can't
just be about equipment, etc. Even when out-equiped the Americans were
willing to hold ground in a way that French soldiers never did.


Are you going to tell us the U.S. forces didn't
fight very hard?

No, I leave that to people like you.

Your conclusions aren't based on ground combat experience, are they?

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

I did not fight in WW2 or any other war. Which war did you fight in?

Bastogne is not near the Ardennes. The American forces in the Ardennes failed
to hold for several reasons. The fact that the Nazi troops even got to Bastogne
proves this. The men in the Ardennes fought to the best of their abilities. It
just wasn't enough.

It is evident to me you have not the skills for a civil debate. Further you
have no understanding of what bravery in combat is. Your implication you make
that the French soldiers were cowards proves this.

As for my combat experience I was in Viet Nam when I was in the Army. We lost
that war. Are you now going to call those of us who served there cowards?

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired