A Google Groups alternative to rec.aviation.piloting?

Mxsmanic wrote in
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Ken S. Tucker writes:

Well I think a fella using a handle like "Buttman",
which advertises his homosexuality is hardly
someone I'd wanna be in cockpit with.

Here again, you're making an ad hominem argument. You're talking
about the person, not the topic at hand.

Additionally, "Buttman" could mean all sorts of things, and isn't
necessarily an indication of homosexuality.

And furthermore, not everyone considers adumbration of homosexuality
pejorative, so your thinly veiled insult might well be without effect.

Are you still playing with little boys Anthony?

skym wrote:
DH used to have good advice on flying but,
unfortunately, his rants in this thread demonstrate his recent descent
into the gutter with the likes of BtB and his ilk. Too bad. It was
good while it lasted.

It still exists, on ANY other forum but this one.

You can register on POA, The Purple Forum, or any other moderated web
forum you choose and you will find me as well as other pilots there
dealing with aviation issues in a professional and friendly atmosphere
that no longer exists here.

--
Dudley Henriques

skym wrote:
This whole topic discussion is why I and many others have pretty much
quit reading it, and left this group, except for the occasional check
back. I think the OP had a sincere suggestion, but the response
quickly deteriorated. DH used to have good advice on flying but,
unfortunately, his rants in this thread demonstrate his recent descent
into the gutter with the likes of BtB and his ilk. Too bad. It was
good while it lasted. MX is a charactor, but not remotely as
offensive as the bitter crowd who have taken over this group.

You know, idiots like you really kill me :-)) You'll read and use all
the unpaid for information and expertise that a lifetime in aviation by
someome else can give you, then sneak in behind the person's back who's
supplying you that information and expertise and take a cheap shot at
them, telling them how YOU think they should be giving you all that free
information.
God I just LOVE Usenet!!!
Get a life!!!
--
Dudley Henriques

Thanks for the responses everyone. Every post was informative - believe it
or not! I may actually try creating a Google Groups piloting group as a
final experiment.

"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
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I may actually try creating a Google Groups piloting group as a
final experiment.

No offense (honest), but why would I want you as my moderator? I don't even
know you, and your unsolicited offer to appoint yourself does nothing to give me
confidence.

Vaughn

"Vaughn Simon" wrote:
"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
.. .
I may actually try creating a Google Groups piloting group as a
final experiment.

No offense (honest), but why would I want you as my moderator?

That is a question I would ask of anyone else if they created a
moderated group. So no offense taken at all. I believe the intro I
posted here provides an (admittedly slanted) background of myself:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec_a...a3b88c8a?hl=en

I don't even
know you, and your unsolicited offer to appoint yourself does nothing
to give me confidence.

I concur with your reasoning - I think anyone willing to nominate
themselves as a discussion group moderator is suspect. But on the matter
of consistent application of such reasoning: do you (or did many of the
members of this group who migrated) apply that same reasoning with
regard to the people who set up and run the AOPA forums or Pilots of
America? (Not sure if you are a member of either group.) Likewise, did
you use the same confidence check in determining whether you should use
AT&T as your Usenet provider (they must have some Terms of Service you
must abide by even on Usenet postings)?

Consider this: anyone can create a group - that is what would presumably
keep me (or anyone else) "honest" and fair. Competition always lurks. It
is not like you or anyone is forever doomed by joining. It costs nothing
(except time) to check out a new group. Heavy handed moderation would be
counterproductive to the whole point of the endeavor.

Lastly, I would be very happy to see someone else deal with such
moderation. Got any names you'd suggest as possibilties that we could
draft? I already have identified one person that I'd like to see as a
moderator of an aviation group:

Vaughn Simon

(Yes, I'm serious.)

"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
.. .
(Not sure if you are a member of either group.)

I am an AOPA member, but not a member of any of their forums.

But also did
you use the same confidence check in determining whether you should use
AT&T as your Usenet provider (they must have some Terms of Service you
must abide by even on Usenet postings)?

Bad comparison. I am a customer of AT&T. They please me on a day-to-day
basis or I fire them and move on to the next ISP.

Consider this: anyone can create a group

Exactly, that is why there are way too many groups. The world does not need
any more Google groups.

Lastly, I would be very happy to see someone else deal with such
moderation. Got any names you'd suggest as possibilties that we could
draft?

I already have made a suggestion; God. Until then, we are better off without
a hall monitor. Learn to use filters. I use them all the time and they work
fine.


--
Vaughn


Nothing personal, but if you are posting through Google Groups I may not receive
your message. Google refuses to control the flood of spam messages originating
in their system, so on any given day I may or may not have Google blocked. Try
a real NNTP server & news reader program and you will never go back. All you
need is access to an NNTP server (AKA "news server") and a news reader program.
You probably already have a news reader program in your computer (Hint: Outlook
Express). Assuming that your Usenet needs are modest, use
http://news.aioe.org/ for free and/or http://www.teranews.com/ for a one-time
$3.95 setup fee.


Will poofread for food.

"Vaughn Simon" wrote:

"Jim Logajan" wrote:
But also did
you use the same confidence check in determining whether you should
use AT&T as your Usenet provider (they must have some Terms of
Service you must abide by even on Usenet postings)?

Bad comparison. I am a customer of AT&T. They please me on a
day-to-day basis or I fire them and move on to the next ISP.

Well that's the point I was trying to make. Hmmm. Guess I did a bad job
communicating.

Consider this: anyone can create a group

Exactly, that is why there are way too many groups. The world does
not need any more Google groups.

Ah, but you can't filter out or stop the creation of new forums. And not
all forums are identical in nature - that's the great thing about having a
choice.

Lastly, I would be very happy to see someone else deal with such
moderation. Got any names you'd suggest as possibilties that we could
draft?

I already have made a suggestion; God.

But I'm an atheist. :-)

Until then, we are better off without
a hall monitor. Learn to use filters. I use them all the time and
they work fine.

If filters were as effective as you believe then we wouldn't be having this
discussion.

I don't use filters and have no problems ignoring or disregarding posts -
but I do have a problem when this group's membership declines because other
people have problems with the naked and uncontrollable animosities. They
are moving to other groups (or simply leaving all online forums)
irrespective of our own mechanisms. I've simply decided to go out of my way
a bit and expend some effort trying to help people who might like an
alternative. It isn't meant to be perfect - just hopefully better.

I still think you should be the moderator of an alternative group - none is
so effective as the one who is most skeptical.

"Vaughn Simon" wrote in message
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"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
.. .
I may actually try creating a Google Groups piloting group as a
final experiment.

No offense (honest), but why would I want you as my moderator? I don't
even know you, and your unsolicited offer to appoint yourself does nothing
to give me confidence.

Vaughn


If you stay here, it's moderated by Bertie, Dudley and their ilk. At least
Jim is an agreeable fellow with humble motives.

"Maxwell" luv2^fly99@cox.^net wrote in
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"Vaughn Simon" wrote in message
...

"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
.. .
I may actually try creating a Google Groups piloting group as a
final experiment.

No offense (honest), but why would I want you as my moderator? I
don't
even know you, and your unsolicited offer to appoint yourself does
nothing to give me confidence.

Vaughn


If you stay here, it's moderated by Bertie, Dudley and their ilk. At
least Jim is an agreeable fellow with humble motives.


Wow, you're like Batman, or something, aintcha?



Bertie