Sec. of State Rice warns Russia about Bombers off Alaska

On Aug 20, 6:44�am, Vincent wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
On Aug 19, 9:02 pm, george wrote:
On Aug 19, 6:35 pm, Tiger wrote:

Rice warns Moscow about its bomber runs off Alaska
As if that's never happened before.
Unless they encroach upon US airspace there's not a lot can be done.
Unless Conny wants to start WW3

So what? Sounds like Condi has more ****ing balls than you do. What do
you do when a hunter with a rifle encounters a hostile bear? Drop his
gun and get into the fetal position hoping it will just sniff around
you and leave? No, you aim and shoot the ****er dead.

People like you make me sick; you know, the ones that always wanna
negotiate peace with terrorists, rouge nations, dictators, and
anything of Slavic origin.

Rob

Lets assume its a Grizzly and and you have a .22

That is what takes balls

Vince- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bad analogy. If hunter is US vs Russian Bear the gun is anything from
a .50 cal rifle to a 40mm Grenade launcher to a flame thrower.

Where is the vaunted USAF which is able to defeat any foe, anwhere?
Apparently not over Georgian skies but in hiding or under repair.

Same for US ground and naval forces- former has no troops to send
anyway as it cannot even manage Afghanistan nor Iraq nor US borders
and the latter would be ineffectual.*

Rob

* Bush won't even send a hospital ship to the Black Sea.

Rob Arndt wrote:
On Aug 20, 6:44�am, Vincent wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
On Aug 19, 9:02 pm, george wrote:
On Aug 19, 6:35 pm, Tiger wrote:
Rice warns Moscow about its bomber runs off Alaska
As if that's never happened before.
Unless they encroach upon US airspace there's not a lot can be done.
Unless Conny wants to start WW3
So what? Sounds like Condi has more ****ing balls than you do. What do
you do when a hunter with a rifle encounters a hostile bear? Drop his
gun and get into the fetal position hoping it will just sniff around
you and leave? No, you aim and shoot the ****er dead.
People like you make me sick; you know, the ones that always wanna
negotiate peace with terrorists, rouge nations, dictators, and
anything of Slavic origin.
Rob
Lets assume its a Grizzly and and you have a .22

That is what takes balls

Vince- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bad analogy. If hunter is US vs Russian Bear the gun is anything from
a .50 cal rifle to a 40mm Grenade launcher to a flame thrower.

Where is the vaunted USAF which is able to defeat any foe, anwhere?
Apparently not over Georgian skies but in hiding or under repair.

Where is the treaty or pact that requires or allows USAF involvement?
For that matter, if you feel so strongly why aren't YOU volunteering?
It's easy for you to accuse servicemen of being cowards since you you
are safe behind your modem.

Tell us how USAF involvement beyond what is currently going on would
change things. Would it make you happy for the USAF to shoot down
Russian aircraft?


Same for US ground and naval forces- former has no troops to send
anyway as it cannot even manage Afghanistan nor Iraq nor US borders
and the latter would be ineffectual.*

Rob

* Bush won't even send a hospital ship to the Black Sea.

It has been determined the Comfort isn't needed at this time, genius.
Turkey hasn't said she would allow the Comfort to pass anyway.

Are you aware the USAF is making several flights a day into Georgia
with relief? I guess that doesn't count because you'd prefer war.

Where are your heroes the Germans? Hiding under their beds?

For that matter, have you ever said anything positive about the U.S.
and when did you say it?

Amazing how someone who has never had to face any risk in her life
insults those who do it every day, isn't it?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

On Aug 20, 12:32�pm, Dan wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
On Aug 20, 6:44 am, Vincent wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
On Aug 19, 9:02 pm, george wrote:
On Aug 19, 6:35 pm, Tiger wrote:
Rice warns Moscow about its bomber runs off Alaska
As if that's never happened before.
Unless they encroach upon US airspace there's not a lot can be done.
Unless Conny wants to start WW3
So what? Sounds like Condi has more ****ing balls than you do. What do
you do when a hunter with a rifle encounters a hostile bear? Drop his
gun and get into the fetal position hoping it will just sniff around
you and leave? No, you aim and shoot the ****er dead.
People like you make me sick; you know, the ones that always wanna
negotiate peace with terrorists, rouge nations, dictators, and
anything of Slavic origin.
Rob
Lets assume its a Grizzly and and you have a .22

That is what takes balls

Vince- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bad analogy. If hunter is US vs Russian Bear the gun is anything from
a .50 cal rifle to a 40mm Grenade launcher to a flame thrower.

Where is the vaunted USAF which is able to defeat any foe, anwhere?
Apparently not over Georgian skies but in hiding or under repair.

� �Where is the treaty or pact that requires or allows USAF involvement?
For that matter, if you feel so strongly why aren't YOU volunteering?
It's easy for you to accuse servicemen of being cowards since you you
are safe behind your modem.

� �Tell us how USAF involvement beyond what is currently going on would
change things. Would it make you happy for the USAF to shoot down
Russian aircraft?



Same for US ground and naval forces- former has no troops to send
anyway as it cannot even manage Afghanistan nor Iraq nor US borders
and the latter would be ineffectual.*

Rob

* Bush won't even send a hospital ship to the Black Sea.

� It has been determined the Comfort isn't needed at this time, genius.
Turkey hasn't said she would allow the Comfort to pass anyway.

� Are you aware the USAF is making several flights a day into Georgia
with relief? I guess that doesn't count because you'd prefer war.

� Where are your heroes the Germans? Hiding under their beds?

� For that matter, have you ever said anything positive about the U.S.
and when did you say it?

� Amazing how someone who has never had to face any risk in her life
insults those who do it every day, isn't it?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

A single C-17 does not qualify as any real relief effort, nor a C-9...

Stop making excuses...

Rob

In article 78e81164-22b5-4cce-9c65-
, says...
On Aug 20, 12:32?pm, Dan wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
On Aug 20, 6:44 am, Vincent wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
On Aug 19, 9:02 pm, george wrote:
On Aug 19, 6:35 pm, Tiger wrote:
Rice warns Moscow about its bomber runs off Alaska
As if that's never happened before.
Unless they encroach upon US airspace there's not a lot can be done.
Unless Conny wants to start WW3
So what? Sounds like Condi has more ****ing balls than you do. What do
you do when a hunter with a rifle encounters a hostile bear? Drop his
gun and get into the fetal position hoping it will just sniff around
you and leave? No, you aim and shoot the ****er dead.
People like you make me sick; you know, the ones that always wanna
negotiate peace with terrorists, rouge nations, dictators, and
anything of Slavic origin.
Rob
Lets assume its a Grizzly and and you have a .22

That is what takes balls

Vince- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bad analogy. If hunter is US vs Russian Bear the gun is anything from
a .50 cal rifle to a 40mm Grenade launcher to a flame thrower.

Where is the vaunted USAF which is able to defeat any foe, anwhere?
Apparently not over Georgian skies but in hiding or under repair.

? ?Where is the treaty or pact that requires or allows USAF involvement?
For that matter, if you feel so strongly why aren't YOU volunteering?
It's easy for you to accuse servicemen of being cowards since you you
are safe behind your modem.

? ?Tell us how USAF involvement beyond what is currently going on would
change things. Would it make you happy for the USAF to shoot down
Russian aircraft?



Same for US ground and naval forces- former has no troops to send
anyway as it cannot even manage Afghanistan nor Iraq nor US borders
and the latter would be ineffectual.*

Rob

* Bush won't even send a hospital ship to the Black Sea.

? It has been determined the Comfort isn't needed at this time, genius.
Turkey hasn't said she would allow the Comfort to pass anyway.

? Are you aware the USAF is making several flights a day into Georgia
with relief? I guess that doesn't count because you'd prefer war.

? Where are your heroes the Germans? Hiding under their beds?

? For that matter, have you ever said anything positive about the U.S.
and when did you say it?

? Amazing how someone who has never had to face any risk in her life
insults those who do it every day, isn't it?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

A single C-17 does not qualify as any real relief effort, nor a C-9...

Does it hurt to be so dumb Rob ?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080818...conflictusaid_
080818224747
WASHINGTON (AFP) - Five more US military flights with relief supplies
were dispatched to war-torn Georgia Monday as Washington considered the
possibility of sea humanitarian missions, officials said.

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So far, 14 planes have been involved in the US humanitarian effort,
which cost more than 4.2 million dollars, including medical supplies,
antibiotics, tents, blankets, food and water, they said.

"Five flights arrived in (the Georgian capital) Tbilisi over the weekend
carrying State Department-provided sleeping bags, blankets, burn
bandages and first aid kits for distribution to internally displaced
persons," State Department spokesman Robert Wood told reporters.

"Five additional flights are scheduled for today, August 18, carrying an
estimated 25,000 Defense Department-provided MRE's (meals-ready-to-eat)
as well as 3,000 hygiene kits provided by USAID and the office of
foreign disaster assistance," he said


Stop making excuses...

Stop being stupid.


--
Meddle ye not in the Affairs of Dragons, for Thou art Crunchy and taste
Goode with Ketchup.

Rob Arndt wrote:
On Aug 20, 12:32�pm, Dan wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
On Aug 20, 6:44 am, Vincent wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
On Aug 19, 9:02 pm, george wrote:
On Aug 19, 6:35 pm, Tiger wrote:
Rice warns Moscow about its bomber runs off Alaska
As if that's never happened before.
Unless they encroach upon US airspace there's not a lot can be done.
Unless Conny wants to start WW3
So what? Sounds like Condi has more ****ing balls than you do. What do
you do when a hunter with a rifle encounters a hostile bear? Drop his
gun and get into the fetal position hoping it will just sniff around
you and leave? No, you aim and shoot the ****er dead.
People like you make me sick; you know, the ones that always wanna
negotiate peace with terrorists, rouge nations, dictators, and
anything of Slavic origin.
Rob
Lets assume its a Grizzly and and you have a .22
That is what takes balls
Vince- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Bad analogy. If hunter is US vs Russian Bear the gun is anything from
a .50 cal rifle to a 40mm Grenade launcher to a flame thrower.
Where is the vaunted USAF which is able to defeat any foe, anwhere?
Apparently not over Georgian skies but in hiding or under repair.
� �Where is the treaty or pact that requires or allows USAF involvement?
For that matter, if you feel so strongly why aren't YOU volunteering?
It's easy for you to accuse servicemen of being cowards since you you
are safe behind your modem.

� �Tell us how USAF involvement beyond what is currently going on would
change things. Would it make you happy for the USAF to shoot down
Russian aircraft?



Same for US ground and naval forces- former has no troops to send
anyway as it cannot even manage Afghanistan nor Iraq nor US borders
and the latter would be ineffectual.*
Rob
* Bush won't even send a hospital ship to the Black Sea.
� It has been determined the Comfort isn't needed at this time, genius.
Turkey hasn't said she would allow the Comfort to pass anyway.

� Are you aware the USAF is making several flights a day into Georgia
with relief? I guess that doesn't count because you'd prefer war.

� Where are your heroes the Germans? Hiding under their beds?

� For that matter, have you ever said anything positive about the U.S.
and when did you say it?

� Amazing how someone who has never had to face any risk in her life
insults those who do it every day, isn't it?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

A single C-17 does not qualify as any real relief effort, nor a C-9...

Stop making excuses...

Rob

What did you expect the U.S. military to do? Suppose the USAF went
to Georgia and shot down every Russian airplane and destroyed all the
Russian ground forces, then what? Do you seriously expect the Russians
to stop at that point? Do you really want the U.S. to engage in direct
war with Russia?

There's more than one C-17 involved. Why bring up C-9? They are all
long retired.

Where are your beloved Germans?

Have you ever said anything positive about the U.S. and when did you
say it?

Do you have the slightest idea how pathetic you sound?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

On Aug 20, 3:32 pm, Dan wrote:
snipped....

Where are your heroes the Germans? Hiding under their beds?

snipped

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

I believe the Germans are in Afghanistan....up north where they don't
have to fight......

Dean

In article 51af37c0-b1a4-41df-82f2-
, says...
On Aug 20, 6:44?am, Vincent wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
On Aug 19, 9:02 pm, george wrote:
On Aug 19, 6:35 pm, Tiger wrote:

Rice warns Moscow about its bomber runs off Alaska
As if that's never happened before.
Unless they encroach upon US airspace there's not a lot can be done.
Unless Conny wants to start WW3

So what? Sounds like Condi has more ****ing balls than you do. What do
you do when a hunter with a rifle encounters a hostile bear? Drop his
gun and get into the fetal position hoping it will just sniff around
you and leave? No, you aim and shoot the ****er dead.

People like you make me sick; you know, the ones that always wanna
negotiate peace with terrorists, rouge nations, dictators, and
anything of Slavic origin.

Rob

Lets assume its a Grizzly and and you have a .22

That is what takes balls

Vince- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bad analogy. If hunter is US vs Russian Bear the gun is anything from
a .50 cal rifle to a 40mm Grenade launcher to a flame thrower.

Where is the vaunted USAF which is able to defeat any foe, anwhere?
Apparently not over Georgian skies but in hiding or under repair.

Same for US ground and naval forces- former has no troops to send
anyway as it cannot even manage Afghanistan nor Iraq nor US borders
and the latter would be ineffectual.*

Why is it there were more non-combat deaths in Iraq last month than ones
resulting from combat ?

As for naval forces why don't you tell us why they would be ineffectual
?



Rob

* Bush won't even send a hospital ship to the Black Sea.

rather dishonest of you to make the accusation
Turkey is reluctant to let it pass and it would not arrive for serveral
weeks as it is.

--
Meddle ye not in the Affairs of Dragons, for Thou art Crunchy and taste
Goode with Ketchup.

tankfixer wrote:
In article 51af37c0-b1a4-41df-82f2-
, says...
On Aug 20, 6:44?am, Vincent wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
On Aug 19, 9:02 pm, george wrote:
On Aug 19, 6:35 pm, Tiger wrote:
Rice warns Moscow about its bomber runs off Alaska
As if that's never happened before.
Unless they encroach upon US airspace there's not a lot can be done.
Unless Conny wants to start WW3
So what? Sounds like Condi has more ****ing balls than you do. What do
you do when a hunter with a rifle encounters a hostile bear? Drop his
gun and get into the fetal position hoping it will just sniff around
you and leave? No, you aim and shoot the ****er dead.
People like you make me sick; you know, the ones that always wanna
negotiate peace with terrorists, rouge nations, dictators, and
anything of Slavic origin.
Rob
Lets assume its a Grizzly and and you have a .22

That is what takes balls

Vince- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Bad analogy. If hunter is US vs Russian Bear the gun is anything from
a .50 cal rifle to a 40mm Grenade launcher to a flame thrower.

Where is the vaunted USAF which is able to defeat any foe, anwhere?
Apparently not over Georgian skies but in hiding or under repair.

Same for US ground and naval forces- former has no troops to send
anyway as it cannot even manage Afghanistan nor Iraq nor US borders
and the latter would be ineffectual.*

Why is it there were more non-combat deaths in Iraq last month than ones
resulting from combat ?


Because the Iraqi view us as no longer relevant and and are biding
their time before we leave and they can kill one another to their hearts

Sectarian Bias Alleged In Iraqi Raids in Diyala
Security Forces Storm Governor's Office


By Zaid Sabah and Sudarsan Raghavan
Washington Post Foreign Service
Wednesday, August 20, 2008; Page A09

BAGHDAD, Aug 19 -- Iraqi security forces raided the governor's office in
restive Diyala province Tuesday, killing an official and injuring four
guards. A Sunni provincial council member and the Sunni president of
Diyala University were also arrested, prompting accusations of sectarian
bias on the part of the Shiite-dominated security forces.

Local officials declared three days of mourning and protested the raids.
In response to the tensions, security officials imposed a curfew on
Baqubah, the provincial capital.

The arrests threatened to deepen Sunni frustrations in Diyala, which is
largely led by Shiites but has a predominantly Sunni population.
U.S.-backed Sunni fighters who turned against the insurgent group
al-Qaeda in Iraq have for months expressed resentment at arrests and
crackdowns by the Shiite-led police force

etcetera

Vince

In article pc%qk.299$w51.178@trnddc01, says...
tankfixer wrote:
In article 51af37c0-b1a4-41df-82f2-
, says...
On Aug 20, 6:44?am, Vincent wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
On Aug 19, 9:02 pm, george wrote:
On Aug 19, 6:35 pm, Tiger wrote:
Rice warns Moscow about its bomber runs off Alaska
As if that's never happened before.
Unless they encroach upon US airspace there's not a lot can be done.
Unless Conny wants to start WW3
So what? Sounds like Condi has more ****ing balls than you do. What do
you do when a hunter with a rifle encounters a hostile bear? Drop his
gun and get into the fetal position hoping it will just sniff around
you and leave? No, you aim and shoot the ****er dead.
People like you make me sick; you know, the ones that always wanna
negotiate peace with terrorists, rouge nations, dictators, and
anything of Slavic origin.
Rob
Lets assume its a Grizzly and and you have a .22

That is what takes balls

Vince- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Bad analogy. If hunter is US vs Russian Bear the gun is anything from
a .50 cal rifle to a 40mm Grenade launcher to a flame thrower.

Where is the vaunted USAF which is able to defeat any foe, anwhere?
Apparently not over Georgian skies but in hiding or under repair.

Same for US ground and naval forces- former has no troops to send
anyway as it cannot even manage Afghanistan nor Iraq nor US borders
and the latter would be ineffectual.*

Why is it there were more non-combat deaths in Iraq last month than ones
resulting from combat ?


Because the Iraqi view us as no longer relevant and and are biding
their time before we leave and they can kill one another to their hearts

That is a possible explanation.



Sectarian Bias Alleged In Iraqi Raids in Diyala
Security Forces Storm Governor's Office


By Zaid Sabah and Sudarsan Raghavan
Washington Post Foreign Service
Wednesday, August 20, 2008; Page A09

BAGHDAD, Aug 19 -- Iraqi security forces raided the governor's office in
restive Diyala province Tuesday, killing an official and injuring four
guards. A Sunni provincial council member and the Sunni president of
Diyala University were also arrested, prompting accusations of sectarian
bias on the part of the Shiite-dominated security forces.

Local officials declared three days of mourning and protested the raids.
In response to the tensions, security officials imposed a curfew on
Baqubah, the provincial capital.

The arrests threatened to deepen Sunni frustrations in Diyala, which is
largely led by Shiites but has a predominantly Sunni population.
U.S.-backed Sunni fighters who turned against the insurgent group
al-Qaeda in Iraq have for months expressed resentment at arrests and
crackdowns by the Shiite-led police force


--
Meddle ye not in the Affairs of Dragons, for Thou art Crunchy and taste
Goode with Ketchup.

Rob Arndt wrote:
On Aug 20, 6:44�am, Vincent wrote:
Rob Arndt wrote:
On Aug 19, 9:02 pm, george wrote:
On Aug 19, 6:35 pm, Tiger wrote:
Rice warns Moscow about its bomber runs off Alaska
As if that's never happened before.
Unless they encroach upon US airspace there's not a lot can be done.
Unless Conny wants to start WW3
So what? Sounds like Condi has more ****ing balls than you do. What do
you do when a hunter with a rifle encounters a hostile bear? Drop his
gun and get into the fetal position hoping it will just sniff around
you and leave? No, you aim and shoot the ****er dead.
People like you make me sick; you know, the ones that always wanna
negotiate peace with terrorists, rouge nations, dictators, and
anything of Slavic origin.
Rob
Lets assume its a Grizzly and and you have a .22

That is what takes balls

Vince- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Bad analogy. If hunter is US vs Russian Bear the gun is anything from
a .50 cal rifle to a 40mm Grenade launcher to a flame thrower.


Then it doesn't take "balls"
A vicious cruel streak perhaps
but not balls


Difference between a matador and running a slaughterhouse

Vince