Why Pilots of America rocks...

buttman writes:

The problem with most of these "moderated" web forums is that they
seem to focus their moderation on protecting the thin-skinned from
being offended by cuss words and insults, while they let the actual
discussions degrade into meaningless, (all though polite) trite crap.

For instance its very common to see a thread in a moderated forum
about a plane crash. But instead of the discussion being about the
actual crash, all you'll see is page after page of replies like "RIP",
"This is sad my prayers go out to the victims", "RIP ", "this is sad
RIP", etc. Its nice that people are being supportive and polite, but
whats the point? Who wants to read that? If I were moderating, that is
the exact kind of thing I'd be removing. The same goes for when a
thread diverts off into a personal chit chat session between two
acquaintances.

That's because you cannot have a meaningful discussion among people with
differences of opinion without the risk of controversy and conflict.

If the discussion forum is peaceful, it will also be boring, with no real
discussion of substance. If the discussion forum discusses real issues of
real interest, the intolerant among the participants will complain of being
offended and will rapidly resort to personal attacks.

You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

Anthony, the best attribute of POA is that you're not there, since it is a
forum for pilots. You can rationalize your non-participation all you want,
but the fact is that you simply don't have anything to contribute.

If the discussion forum is peaceful, it will also be boring, with no real
discussion of substance. If the discussion forum discusses real issues of
real interest, the intolerant among the participants will complain of
being
offended and will rapidly resort to personal attacks.

Disagree 100%. There is no need or reason for anyone here to stoop to
personal attacks, at any time. That sort of crap doesn't forward any
conversation, ever.

Until the "Bertie-MX-Maxie-Rich-Mikey Troll-o-Rama Show" began, personal
attacks here were exceedingly rare. Even when they occurred, they were mild
by comparison to this group's every-day persona now, and (more importantly)
the regular posters in the group would quickly show their disdain for that
sort of behavior.

This kept trolls in check, even when potentially controversial off-topic
subjects were discussed. Now, even benign, on-topic subjects can't be
discussed here without the trolls rolling in the mud.

Discussions at P of A can be VERY boisterous, with all opinions voiced.
There is NO censorship until troll-ish behavior and personal attacks become
the focus of the discussion -- at which point it's GONE. The moderators are
(IMHO) extremely patient, but when the line is crossed there is no doubt
that the offenders will be swiftly dealt with. It's....refreshing.

P of A may not be perfect, but it's about pilots discussing flying. If
that's what you're looking for, check it out.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:JmSvk.327625$yE1.122780@attbi_s21:

If the discussion forum is peaceful, it will also be boring, with no
real discussion of substance. If the discussion forum discusses real
issues of real interest, the intolerant among the participants will
complain of being
offended and will rapidly resort to personal attacks.

Disagree 100%. There is no need or reason for anyone here to stoop to
personal attacks, at any time. That sort of crap doesn't forward any
conversation, ever.

Until the "Bertie-MX-Maxie-Rich-Mikey Troll-o-Rama Show" began,
personal attacks here were exceedingly rare. Even when they occurred,
they were mild by comparison to this group's every-day persona now,
and (more importantly) the regular posters in the group would quickly
show their disdain for that sort of behavior.

This kept trolls in check, even when potentially controversial
off-topic subjects were discussed. Now, even benign, on-topic
subjects can't be discussed here without the trolls rolling in the
mud.

Discussions at P of A can be VERY boisterous, with all opinions
voiced. There is NO censorship until troll-ish behavior and personal
attacks become the focus of the discussion -- at which point it's
GONE. The moderators are (IMHO) extremely patient, but when the line
is crossed there is no doubt that the offenders will be swiftly dealt
with. It's....refreshing.

P of A may not be perfect, but it's about pilots discussing flying.

So what are you doing there, spamtard?


Bertie

Jay Honeck writes:

There is no need or reason for anyone here to stoop to
personal attacks, at any time. That sort of crap doesn't forward any
conversation, ever.

Nevertheless, stupid people will routinely resort to personal attacks, often
very early in a conversation. It's extremely predictable and reliable.

Until the "Bertie-MX-Maxie-Rich-Mikey Troll-o-Rama Show" began, personal
attacks here were exceedingly rare.

They have always been common. I see examples of them again and again in
virtually every newsgroup on USENET, including this one.

Even when they occurred, they were mild
by comparison to this group's every-day persona now, and (more importantly)
the regular posters in the group would quickly show their disdain for that
sort of behavior.

Some of the worst offenders are regular posters in the group.

Anthony, did you ever stop to think that you and the nature of your posts
might have something to do with the responses they elicit?

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Jay Honeck writes:

There is no need or reason for anyone here to stoop to
personal attacks, at any time. That sort of crap doesn't forward any
conversation, ever.

Nevertheless, stupid people will routinely resort to personal attacks,
often very early in a conversation. It's extremely predictable and
reliable.

Until the "Bertie-MX-Maxie-Rich-Mikey Troll-o-Rama Show" began,
personal attacks here were exceedingly rare.

They have always been common. I see examples of them again and again
in virtually every newsgroup on USENET, including this one.

Now there's a surprise.


Bertie

They have always been common. I see examples of them again and again in
virtually every newsgroup on USENET, including this one.

That's because your entry to this group precipitated the worst troll
invasion ever seen here. I don't know why, exactly -- I find your postings
to be relatively harmless, occasionally amusing, and often on-topic -- and
perhaps it was coincidental -- but there is no doubt that your entrance here
occurred right before the entry of "Bertie" and his sock-puppets, and the
exit of so many regular posters.

Some of the worst offenders are regular posters in the group.

Sadly, you're right. But only because so many of the good folks have left.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
Ercoupe N94856
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Sep 4, 12:42*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:

They have always been common. *I see examples of them again and again in
virtually every newsgroup on USENET, including this one.

Anthony, honest, simple question. Were you around this group years
ago? 5 years ago? 7 years ago?
I suspect not. HOW can you say "they have always been common?"
Anthony, they have not always been common here!
You are wrong once again.

Ricky

Jay Honeck wrote:
There is no need or reason for anyone here to stoop to
personal attacks, at any time.

Really.
Let me just fetch up...
"Given your known political stance, however, (somewhere to the left of
Hugo Chavez) it adds up..."

posted by one Jay Honeck, Sept 1, 2008 6:05 AM