Super fast assembly and launch...

absolutely no purpose for that exercise in fact it's an irresponsible act
that shows total disregard for safe operating procedure. The organisation
who made the film should be ashamed. This is the way moronic clubs
operate.




At 12:30 15 November 2008, Jim Beckman wrote:


The fact that this crew omitted the control check is really kind of
dumb.

If something had gone wrong, it would have spoiled their whole day.

Jim Beckman

absolutely no purpose for that exercise in fact it's an irresponsible act
that shows total disregard for safe operating procedure. The organisation
who made the film should be ashamed. This is the way moronic clubs
operate.




At 12:30 15 November 2008, Jim Beckman wrote:


The fact that this crew omitted the control check is really kind of
dumb.

If something had gone wrong, it would have spoiled their whole day.

Jim Beckman

At 14:00 15 November 2008, P Ilatus wrote:

absolutely no purpose for that exercise in fact it's an irresponsible
act
that shows total disregard for safe operating procedure. The
organisation
who made the film should be ashamed. This is the way moronic clubs
operate.

Do I detect the smell of methane in the air?

On Nov 15, 10:15*am, Z Goudie wrote:
At 14:00 15 November 2008, P Ilatus wrote:



absolutely no purpose for that exercise in fact it's an irresponsible
act
that shows total disregard for safe operating procedure. *The
organisation
who made the film should be ashamed. This is the way moronic clubs
operate.

Do I detect the smell of methane in the air?

ancient methane...

P Ilatus wrote:
absolutely no purpose for that exercise in fact it's an irresponsible act
that shows total disregard for safe operating procedure. The organisation
who made the film should be ashamed. This is the way moronic clubs
operate.




At 12:30 15 November 2008, Jim Beckman wrote:

The fact that this crew omitted the control check is really kind of
dumb.
If something had gone wrong, it would have spoiled their whole day.

Jim Beckman



OK - I am one of the safety primates.
Would I approve of doing this?

Probably - it would raise the competence of club members substantially.
I see lots of planning, and absolute adherence to an operating plan.

There is risk inherent in everything we do - One assumes they did this
with an airframe they had checked very carefully, and then practised
getting it right, many times. Risk known, managed and minimised much
more than many of the things that happen at airfields.

Personally I would put the risk of mis-assembly on this one at way lower
than the glider assembled by a few amiable chaps collected randomly by
the guy with a trailer...

As to whether they proved anything meaningful - that is for them to
know. I know many people wonder what meaning I find in getting into a
little glass fibre enclosure with long skinny wings and going and doing
something that appears to an external observer to be high risk,
uncomfortable and pointless. Point is I find it meaningful and enjoyable
flying my glider - they found it meaningful to demonstrate how fast they
could safely assemble a Discus. Each to his own, but lets stay away from
name calling.

As an exercise - consider whether there really was no control check. I
can see there was no "normal" positive control check. But I can't see
from the video whether the controls were moved deliberately during
assembly with someone observing a specific sequence of stick movements.
Or maybe there was an agreed quick control movement sequence from the
pilot with observers for each surface. I don't know if they did, and I
am not convinced it would make a huge difference if they had, but we
can't be sure there was no check. There is an awful lot going on in the
video - Ask any magician how they get people to not see things...

Similarly I have more than once seen things that were "postively
checked" fail to be in the state that more than one person had only
moments before been prepared to swear that they had confirmed.

The biggest problem with safety is the complacency arising from the
mistaken assumption that our actions have ensured it.

In this case I expect everyone involved was very aware of the real and
immediate possibility of things going wrong. That is much better for
safety than lots complacency.

Would I do this myself? - probably not - but not because I think it unsafe.

Maybe a little more than 2c worth, so I'll get off the soap box now.

Bruce

Let's see...

A group of glider jockeys, of all ages, working together as a team,
having FUN (I know I know, not allowed in most soaring environs). Yep.
This is all bad and these guys should be kicked off the planet. But ya
know what. I wanna go with them and buy them a bier.

Bob

On Nov 15, 2:12*pm, "
wrote:
Let's see...

A group of glider jockeys, of all ages, working together as a team,
having FUN (I know I know, not allowed in most soaring environs). Yep.
This is all bad and these guys should be kicked off the planet. But ya
know what. I wanna go with them and buy them a bier.

Bob

Were you intentionally spelling, "BIER" ?? As in:
–noun
1. a frame or stand on which a corpse or the coffin containing it is
laid before burial.
2. such a stand together with the corpse or coffin.
(source: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bier)

- John

Were you intentionally spelling, "BIER" ?? *As in:
–noun
1. a frame or stand on which a corpse or the coffin containing it is
laid before burial.
2. such a stand together with the corpse or coffin.
(source:http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bier)

- John

Nope John

That's how we spell stuff made from hops, malt and water!

I live in Bavaria and we take the stuff pretty seriously, Bier that
is!

Come on over and fly with me in the Alps and I'll show you how we
spell and drink bier. We keep the Nimbus rigged most of the time so we
wouldn't be able to test these guys time! Of course with the Nimbus
you would need a lot more people and much more time!

Bob

At 18:46 15 November 2008, sisu1a wrote:
On Nov 15, 10:15=A0am, Z Goudie wrote:
At 14:00 15 November 2008, P Ilatus wrote:



absolutely no purpose for that exercise in fact it's an
irresponsible
act
that shows total disregard for safe operating procedure. =A0The
organisation
who made the film should be ashamed. This is the way moronic clubs
operate.

Do I detect the smell of methane in the air?

ancient methane...




funny what getting near a Discus does to some people - here is an
alternative for Discophants who put safety second:

http://www.channel4.com/news/article...donors/2825042

At 19:12 15 November 2008, wrote:
Let's see...

A group of glider jockeys, of all ages, working together as a team,
having FUN (I know I know, not allowed in most soaring environs). Yep.

The business about assembling the glider in minimum time
is all well and good. Entertainment for a slow afternoon.
As I mentioned, the 1-26 fanatics did the same thing, and
with a smaller crew and rather more complicated assembly.
The difference in behavior arises after the assembly was
(allegedly) complete. Hey, there's a reason all those
1-26 guys get to be so old!

I can't see that actually launching the glider immediately
proved anything, except that they were willing to bet
their butts (well, at least one guy was willing to make
that bet) on what they had just done.

Jim Beckman