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On Feb 7, 3:02*pm, None wrote:
From the description the Cirrus pilot was just not looking .... Probably wrong: I have done a geometric analysis of cockpit visibility. - First, sharp vision -- the fovea -- is only about 1% of the sphere surrounding us. Our brain integrates peripheral vision and interpolates detail gathered from the scanning that the eyes do unconsciously. - Second, consider all the space eclipsed by stuff: - the bill of your cap - the whole of the aircraft beneath you (the Cirrus was descending, one account says) - the panel and the sun visor - the TCAS unit standing on top of the panel - everything behind you in all directions - Third, the fact that the aircraft you're about to collide with, even if it's in your field of view (only about 25% of the sphere) is a speck on the windscreen that isn't moving -- it's just growing. Our vision is very sensitive to movement, but insensitive to growth. It's the movement that directs our gaze, to cause foveal vision to capture a clear impression of the moving object. - So: by what miracle of chance do you expect the Cirrus pilot to have seen through his airplane, to have glimpsed the Pawnee? *I don't want to be insensitive to the family of the Cirrus pilot, but the fault was his...In my experience, many IFR pilots just don't look out for VFR traffic and expect ATC to keep them clear of ALL traffic. How often have you been the IFR pilot flying with the aid of ATC in VMC, in a busy airspace? Other traffic is VERY difficult to see even when one knows altitude and azimuth; much traffic, even collision traffic, cannot be seen because both aircraft are eclipsed from the pilot by their own aircraft. In addition, VFR aircraft often do not check in with ATC to verify their altitude, or have non-encoding transponders, so that's a mystery. And then there's the fact that some of us are essentially invisible to ATC even with a transponder: when we thermal, we're relatively stationary to radar, which then puts us in "coast" mode, and removes our blip from the display. The only way to mitigate this risk effectively is to mandate that all aircraft, regardless of class, carry operating anticollision devices. Unfortunately, the rule-making process is so slow that by the time any new thing gets through, it's at least decade-old technology and therefore the target of flames from people who know about the new technology (ADS-B v. FLARM, for example) In this regard, at the SSA convention 2 weeks ago, one of the European attendees said that now that FLARM is established, too many glider pilots are flying with their eyes in the cockpit and depending too much on FLARM. Complacency affects every one of us. Some news articles that contain additional information: http://www.dailycamera.com/news/ci_14352511 The most complete photos, videos, and summary. From http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...00/detail.html "The Boulder County Coroner has identified the third victim, the pilot of the Piper Pawnee, as Alexander Howard Gilmer, 25, of Evergreen. His family asked for their privacy. On his MySpace page, he described himself as a base jumper, sky diver, pilot and marine." "The glider narrowly avoided disaster after pilot Reuben Bakker cut his craft loose from the ill-fated Piper seconds before the collision, landing safely 3 miles away and saving his life and those of his passenger and her 11-year-old son. Their names were not available. "The glider narrowly avoided disaster after pilot Reuben Bakker cut his craft loose from the ill-fated Piper seconds before the collision, landing safely 3 miles away and saving his life and those of his passenger and her 11-year-old son. Their names were not available. The glider narrowly avoided disaster after pilot Reuben Bakker cut his craft loose from the ill-fated Piper seconds before the collision, landing safely 3 miles away and saving his life and those of his passenger and her 11-year-old son. Their names were not available. From http://www.denverpost.com/headlines/ci_14355506 The glider pilot was Reuben Bakker... From http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_14350203 Sue Patton, 53, and her 8-year-old daughter, Sarah Weller, ran outside just in time to see two people plunge out of the plane. Patton said it appeared to her that they jumped. "The plane was burning really strong," she said. "They really didn't have a choice."" |
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This is precisely the problem! The majority of the public, including
many pilots and apparently the FAA, believe in "See and Avoid" since they can often see other aircrafts either from the ground or when flying. They do not grasp the simple fact that they only see aircrafts which are not in a collision course with them! This, combined with multiple blind spots and the various distractions which are part of the job of piloting an aircraft, makes it a pure luck when someone actually manage to see and avoid. If See and Avoid can be relied on, why do we bother with traffic lights and multiple lanes on the roads? Yet it is much easier to see and avoid on the road due to significantly slower speed and knowing where to look. It is ironic to hear and read about the money and effort which goes into investigating the cause of those accidents, while the answer is simply biological limit of our eyes, and the design of our airplanes. The only reason that aircrafts do not collide with each other all the time is the big sky theory. Unfortunately the sky is not big enough, and we loose many good pilots and passengers to GA midairs every year. The responsibility lies with the FAA bureaucrats and the rule making process, which is so slow that we are still using 50 years old technologies! Imagine if the FAA was run by, say... Apple. We would all be carrying a small $99 (ok maybe $999) gizmo in all our aircrafts, which capable of providing real time warnings for any threat (such as flarm or ADS-B). And for those who claims that this will create complacency or heads down - even if you blind fold all the pilots you will get far less midairs due to the occasional misuse of malfunction of this technology, verses relying on See and Avoid! For a good reading on the subject of see and avoid check http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...s/bca0107c.xml Ramy |
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I think that discussing midair is important in general, so please
continue on. However, I think it is also important for everyone including your friends and families to understand that this is basically a collision between two powerplanes, and one of them just happened to be towing a glider. This accident has nothing to do with the safety of this sports. It didn't happen because of the flying characteristics of glider, the visibility of glider in the air, or having or not having transponder or similar equipments. I was wondering why so many initial reports emphasized that the Cirrus ran into the tow rope. Apparently, there is a perception among non pilots that the tow rope is miles-long, thus making it an invisible trap in the air, and the poor Cirrus tripped on it because they couldn't see it. That is very wrong. The tow rope is only a couple hundreds of feet long, and you shouldn't get that close to other aircrafts in the sky anyway. I even see a headline like this. Three killed in glider accident http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...?section=world -Gen |
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It will be interesting to see what the NTSB comes up with on this one,
Since unlike most mid-airs this one had a pilot witness and two non- pilot witnesses in the front row seat (glider) to observe what happened. |
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I think that discussing midair is important in general, so please
continue on. However, I think it is also important for everyone including your friends and families to understand that this is basically a collision between two powerplanes, and one of them just happened to be towing a glider. This accident has nothing to do with the safety of this sports. It didn't happen because of the flying characteristics of glider, the visibility of glider in the air, or having or not having transponder or similar equipments. I was wondering why so many initial reports emphasized that the Cirrus ran into the tow rope. Apparently, there is a perception among non pilots that the tow rope is miles-long, thus making it an invisible trap in the air, and the poor Cirrus tripped on it because they couldn't see it. That is very wrong. The tow rope is only a couple hundreds of feet long, and you shouldn't get that close to other aircrafts in the sky anyway. I even see a headline like this. Three killed in glider accident http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...?section=world -Gen |
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danlj wrote:
And then there's the fact that some of us are essentially invisible to ATC even with a transponder: when we thermal, we're relatively stationary to radar, which then puts us in "coast" mode, and removes our blip from the display. In the USA, the radar will not remove your transponder blip from the screen because you are circling; if the blip is from primary mode radar (no transponder), it may be removed. Radar does know the difference between clutter and a transponder! -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA * Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly * "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org |
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