Possible "deliberate" plane crash

On Feb 19, 1:46*am, Mxsmanic wrote:

John E. Carty writes:
Just because it isn't publicly listed in the registry doesn't mean he
doesn't hold a valid certificate :-)

Yes, it does. You can have certain data hidden in the registry, but the
registry itself is public data--otherwise it wouldn't be possible to verify
whether or not someone actually does hold an airman certificate.

mx...did you see the smiley after the word "certificate?" Hmm...what
do you think that might imply?

Ricky

On Feb 18, 1:51*pm, Dallas wrote:
On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:42:37 -0800 (PST), Ricky wrote:
a plane crashed into
a building just an hour south of my home in Waco, TX.

Interesting note... the guy's name is Joseph Andrew Stack.

The FAA registry lists no one by that name with a certificate. *It will be
interesting to see if he was a student pilot or if he just figured out how
to fly today.

He was a student. I don't think he had even soloed, or if he did it
was just his first solo. Its possible he never got his medical if he
wasn't solo. The FBO reported that he was not suppose to have access
to the keys but he told them he was pre-flighting before his CFI
arrived. His suicide has been used as an example of the harmlessness
of GA since he only broke a couple of windows. Unfortunately, this
recent guy did more damage.

-Robert

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:47:29 -0800 (PST), Robert M. Gary wrote:

He was a student. I don't think he had even soloed,

The news media keeps calling him a pilot and referring to it as "his
airplane".

But hey, that's good... under those circumstances the whole event would be
pretty much impossible to prevent and the media has to move on to other
silly subject matter to discuss ad nauseum .


--
Dallas

On Feb 19, 12:09*pm, Dallas wrote:
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:47:29 -0800 (PST), Robert M. Gary wrote:
He was a student. I don't think he had even soloed,

The news media keeps calling him a pilot

Pilot as in the one who piloted the airplane. Some of the best pilots
I've ever seen never had a certificate.

-Robert

On Feb 20, 10:37*am, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
On Feb 19, 12:09*pm, Dallas wrote:

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:47:29 -0800 (PST), Robert M. Gary wrote:
He was a student. I don't think he had even soloed,

The news media keeps calling him a pilot

Pilot as in the one who piloted the airplane. Some of the best pilots
I've ever seen never had a certificate.


Can you explain?

Cheers

Dallas wrote
Interesting note... the guy's name is Joseph Andrew Stack.

The FAA registry lists no one by that name with a certificate. It
will be interesting to see if he was a student pilot or if he just
figured out how to fly today.

From the AP
Stack's medical certificate was current, dated May 2009. He was an
instrument rated pilot, able to fly single-engine and multiengine
airplanes, and no enforcement action had ever been taken against him.

Bob Moore

On 20 Feb 2010 13:37:11 GMT, Robert Moore wrote:

Stack's medical certificate was current, dated May 2009. He was an
instrument rated pilot, able to fly single-engine and multiengine
airplanes, and no enforcement action had ever been taken against him.

So nobody's answered the question, is being listed in the registry
optional?

Apparently it is.

--
Dallas

Dallas writes:

So nobody's answered the question, is being listed in the registry
optional?

Apparently it is.

It's not optional. However, the SSN, certificate number, and date of birth of
pilots are not included in the public information available in the registry,
and pilots can request that their address information be hidden.

There would be little point to a registry that were not public. The whole idea
is to allow third parties to verify that a particular person is indeed a
licensed pilot.

I suspect that in this case the pilot may have been an unlicensed student
pilot (someone who had been taking instruction but had not obtained a student
pilot license yet), or his name in the database is different from the one
reported. There are quite a few pilots named Joe Stack.

Mxsmanic writes:

I suspect that in this case the pilot may have been an unlicensed student
pilot (someone who had been taking instruction but had not obtained a student
pilot license yet), or his name in the database is different from the one
reported. There are quite a few pilots named Joe Stack.

Apparently inactive airmen certificates are also omitted from the database. So
he might have had a license, but it might have been inactive.

Ricky wrote:
As our simulator captain has provided a link to, a plane crashed into
a building just an hour south of my home in Waco, TX.

What I want to say about this is that nobody knows whether or not this
crash was "deliberate" or not and probably won't for a long time./snip/

"Damage control"? Indeed. Why don't you teach us all about that?

Ricky


Apart from the customary JesusIsBetter sneer for the sim player, I can
also correct his confident denial: yes, the software engineer was in a
feud with the IRS about some earnings. Yes he set fire to his home. (Did
they threaten to garnish it? Dunno) Yes he left a suicide note on his
web site, offering vengeance, and yes he wanted to take a few IRS folks
with him.
In this he was unsuccessful - only one fatality other than his was
indicated in current newscasts.

Brian W