George Patton Jr is not George Patton III

I don't recall ever saying anything about being bothered.

Well, your post seemed to portray someone upset, I apologize if that was not
the case.

Art has something concrete to
offer through his personal experiences.

I agree, however when he intentionally besmirches the service of anyone outside
of the European Theater 1942-1946, it diminishes anything worthy he might have
to say.

but the fact remains, "he was there" and we were not!

Yeah, we all know, Art will never let you forget it. The problem is, Art thinks
his personal experience trumps anyone else on this ng, or any source they may
offer. Its clear Art has done very little research into the CBO as he is unable
to discuss, with any depth, any of the issues. Any discussion with Art, usually
ends up with; "well you're wrong because I was there", which doesn't work.
Someday someone will write a good book on Operation IRAQI FREEDOM and I'll be
the first one in line to buy it, because "I was there" meant that I was busy
24/7 and that one month of my life is a complete blur. Unfortunately for Art,
he can't admit that decades of research are more relevant than "I was there".

I meant to ask you if you ever came across a BUFF driver by the name of Gary
Lundberg.

Hmm, PCS'd to KMIB in 1997? The name doesn't ring a bell, I'll have to ask a
BUFF RN I work with who was stationed at Minot.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

"Moose" wrote in message
...

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Sure he can be casutic and his pig headedness just a bit too much to
handle
at times, but the fact remains, "he was there" and we were not!

But Art has made a habit of not only extolling his "I was there" crap, but
has gone so far as to claim that others who were elsewhere following the
orders they were given somehow don't rate the same level of respect that he
claims to deserve. In the end it gets rather disgusting, and I keep
wondering if ol' Art did not have to have an escort with him when he dropped
by the maintenance, supply, etc., areas, where those "less equal pigs" would
like as not have left him needing dentures while he was still learning to
shave had he been expressing the kind of crap regarding their service that
he has in this NG over the past few years. Maybe if they had been able to do
so then he might not be the self-centered SOB that he has turned out to be.

Even if f
you ignore everything he says about post-war military aviation, Art still
makes a valuable contribution to this site.

At one time long, long ago I agreed with you. In fact, one of my first posts
to this NG was offered in his defense--how naive I was! Even his WWII info
is questionable, since he has also assured us that his unit *never* missed a
target (one hell of an exploit for a bomber unit during that war--my
father's outfit could not claim that much, and in reality no unit could),
that the CEP for their bombs rivaled that of our current PGM's, etc. He
starts an OT thread on day, then climbs on his high horse the next day and
bemoans OT threads...and immediately starts *another* OT thread the day
after that. All in all, he has turned into a bitter little man who in his
mind must belittle the efforts of all others in order to reinforce his own
suffering ego. I have been privaledged to have known quite a few WWII vets
(my own father was flying combat missions at the same time as ol' Art was),
and I hold every one of them in a hell of a lot more esteem than I do Art.
The last time Art got hammered by a number of folks in the group he cried
foul and said he was taking his ball and going home--no more RAM for him
(remindful of Nixon's little Checkers speech)! The group did not suffer much
during his (short) absense.

Brooks

snip

Kevin Brooks wrote:
"Moose" wrote in message
...

snip

Sure he can be casutic and his pig headedness just a bit too much to

handle

at times, but the fact remains, "he was there" and we were not!


But Art has made a habit of not only extolling his "I was there" crap, but
has gone so far as to claim that others who were elsewhere following the
orders they were given somehow don't rate the same level of respect that he
claims to deserve. In the end it gets rather disgusting, and I keep
wondering if ol' Art did not have to have an escort with him when he dropped
by the maintenance, supply, etc., areas, where those "less equal pigs" would
like as not have left him needing dentures while he was still learning to
shave had he been expressing the kind of crap regarding their service that
he has in this NG over the past few years. Maybe if they had been able to do
so then he might not be the self-centered SOB that he has turned out to be.

Even if f

you ignore everything he says about post-war military aviation, Art still
makes a valuable contribution to this site.


At one time long, long ago I agreed with you. In fact, one of my first posts
to this NG was offered in his defense--how naive I was! Even his WWII info
is questionable, since he has also assured us that his unit *never* missed a
target (one hell of an exploit for a bomber unit during that war--my
father's outfit could not claim that much, and in reality no unit could),
that the CEP for their bombs rivaled that of our current PGM's, etc. He
starts an OT thread on day, then climbs on his high horse the next day and
bemoans OT threads...and immediately starts *another* OT thread the day
after that. All in all, he has turned into a bitter little man who in his
mind must belittle the efforts of all others in order to reinforce his own
suffering ego. I have been privaledged to have known quite a few WWII vets
(my own father was flying combat missions at the same time as ol' Art was),
and I hold every one of them in a hell of a lot more esteem than I do Art.
The last time Art got hammered by a number of folks in the group he cried
foul and said he was taking his ball and going home--no more RAM for him
(remindful of Nixon's little Checkers speech)! The group did not suffer much
during his (short) absense.

Brooks

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Dammit Brooks, just killfile him and be done with it. Then you won't see
his posts and none of us will see your posts hollering at the old fart.

George

"George Shirley" wrote in message
...
Kevin Brooks wrote:


Dammit Brooks, just killfile him and be done with it. Then you won't see
his posts and none of us will see your posts hollering at the old fart.

You still see Kevin the noise generator's posts?

"George Shirley" wrote in message
...
Kevin Brooks wrote:
"Moose" wrote in message
...

snip

Sure he can be casutic and his pig headedness just a bit too much to

handle

at times, but the fact remains, "he was there" and we were not!


But Art has made a habit of not only extolling his "I was there" crap,
but
has gone so far as to claim that others who were elsewhere following the
orders they were given somehow don't rate the same level of respect that
he
claims to deserve. In the end it gets rather disgusting, and I keep
wondering if ol' Art did not have to have an escort with him when he
dropped
by the maintenance, supply, etc., areas, where those "less equal pigs"
would
like as not have left him needing dentures while he was still learning
to
shave had he been expressing the kind of crap regarding their service
that
he has in this NG over the past few years. Maybe if they had been able
to do
so then he might not be the self-centered SOB that he has turned out to
be.

Even if f

you ignore everything he says about post-war military aviation, Art
still
makes a valuable contribution to this site.


At one time long, long ago I agreed with you. In fact, one of my first
posts
to this NG was offered in his defense--how naive I was! Even his WWII
info
is questionable, since he has also assured us that his unit *never*
missed a
target (one hell of an exploit for a bomber unit during that war--my
father's outfit could not claim that much, and in reality no unit
could),
that the CEP for their bombs rivaled that of our current PGM's, etc. He
starts an OT thread on day, then climbs on his high horse the next day
and
bemoans OT threads...and immediately starts *another* OT thread the day
after that. All in all, he has turned into a bitter little man who in
his
mind must belittle the efforts of all others in order to reinforce his
own
suffering ego. I have been privaledged to have known quite a few WWII
vets
(my own father was flying combat missions at the same time as ol' Art
was),
and I hold every one of them in a hell of a lot more esteem than I do
Art.
The last time Art got hammered by a number of folks in the group he
cried
foul and said he was taking his ball and going home--no more RAM for him
(remindful of Nixon's little Checkers speech)! The group did not suffer
much
during his (short) absense.

Brooks

snip



Dammit Brooks, just killfile him and be done with it. Then you won't see
his posts and none of us will see your posts hollering at the old fart.

"Dammit George", if you want to killfile someone, including me, do so, and
be gone. OK?

Brooks


George

Subject: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III
From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 1/31/04 9:40 PM Pacific Standard Time

But Art has made a habit of not only extolling his "I was there" crap

Don't you wish you could say the same "crap" Bitter jealousy is not a pretty
sight. Right wannabee?




Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote

Don't you wish you could say the same "crap" Bitter jealousy is not a pretty
sight. Right wannabee?

Take your Geritol, boy.

Subject: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III
From: "S. Sampson"
Date: 2/1/04 11:27 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: pIhTb.15635$Q_4.12206@okepread03

"ArtKramr" wrote

Don't you wish you could say the same "crap" Bitter jealousy is not a
pretty
sight. Right wannabee?

Take your Geritol, boy.


Good idea wanabee.



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III
From: "Moose"
Date: 1/31/04 2:26 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Hi

Most of you who are dumping on Art have been reading his postings for some
time now. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.
If you are so bothered by what he has to say, then don't read his posts.
Can't get any simpler than that.

The one thing that drives me up a wall and causes me to lose my temper is when
I get lectured on "what it was really like up there" by guys who never flew
anything and never fired a shot in anger.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote

The one thing that drives me up a wall and causes me to lose my temper is when
I get lectured on "what it was really like up there" by guys who never flew
anything and never fired a shot in anger.

Then you say something stupid, like General Patton III never existed.