"Photo of Kerry with Fonda enrages Vietnam veterans"

"Bob McKellar" wrote in message
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Mike wrote:

Photo of Kerry with Fonda enrages Vietnam veterans
A photograph of John Kerry together with Jane Fonda at an anti-Vietnam
War rally in 1970 in Pennsylvania has surfaced on the Internet,
angering veterans who say his association with her 34 years ago is a
slap in the faces of Vietnam War veterans.
at http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...3002-8027r.htm

He should have known she would stupidly go to Hanoi two years later. Did
he neglect to check his crystal ball?

Kerry seems to have had an ongoing affiliation with Jane's cause; in 1971 he
was in attendance at the "Winter Soldier Investigation", where alleged
Vietnam veterans (I say alleged because as we know now there was a tendency
for some folks to claim combat experience and first hand knowledge of
atrocities, only to find out later that those individuals were either not
ever in Vietnam or were far from the alleged actions described--guy by the
name of B.G. Burkett wrote an interesting book ("Stolen Valor") about the
phenomena) detailed alleged cases of atrocities on a scale that would rival
the escapades of the SS during WWII. The individual who provided the backing
for that dubious endeavor? Jane Fonda.

Brooks


Bob McKellar

Bob McKellar wrote:

Mike wrote:


Photo of Kerry with Fonda enrages Vietnam veterans
A photograph of John Kerry together with Jane Fonda at an anti-Vietnam
War rally in 1970 in Pennsylvania has surfaced on the Internet,
angering veterans who say his association with her 34 years ago is a
slap in the faces of Vietnam War veterans.
at http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...3002-8027r.htm


He should have known she would stupidly go to Hanoi two years later. Did
he neglect to check his crystal ball?

If you're in politics in modern day USA, the crystal ball is
assumed for all players. (Reagan should have known the shuttle
would blow; Bush should have known the WTC would be destroyed).

I think many people of 1970 would never have believed being
anti-war would be a negative attribute in the future.


SMH

"Stephen Harding" wrote in message
...
Bob McKellar wrote:

Mike wrote:


Photo of Kerry with Fonda enrages Vietnam veterans
A photograph of John Kerry together with Jane Fonda at an anti-Vietnam
War rally in 1970 in Pennsylvania has surfaced on the Internet,
angering veterans who say his association with her 34 years ago is a
slap in the faces of Vietnam War veterans.
at http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...3002-8027r.htm


He should have known she would stupidly go to Hanoi two years later.
Did
he neglect to check his crystal ball?

If you're in politics in modern day USA, the crystal ball is
assumed for all players. (Reagan should have known the shuttle
would blow; Bush should have known the WTC would be destroyed).

I think many people of 1970 would never have believed being
anti-war would be a negative attribute in the future.

You are missing the point of the crystal ball allusion in this case; the
poster meant that Kerry had no way of knowing Hanoi Jane would two years
later become...well, Hanoi Jane. But in actuality, Kerry had an apparently
long-running affiliation with Jane in the anti-war movement, including that
appearance in the photo in 1970, and his attendance at the "Winter Soldier
Investigation" fiasco in 1971. Kerry claims to have been the mastermind
behind "Dewey Canyon III", when the VVAW moved onto the Mall and then played
their little games (i.e., fake firefights--wonder how that would go down in
today's security environment?) on the Capitol steps, and his now famous
discarding of his medals (oops, that's right--*someone else's* medals),
while he wore his ridiculous fatigues-with-ribbons ensemble. Jane Fonda was
a *big* supporter of VVAW, and reportedly underwrote the whole "Winter
Soldier" event (conducted in Detroit of all places, because Jane thought it
more "real" than DC).

And now we have Kerry questioning the President's reserve drill attendance
record. A poster in another NG brought up an interesting point--Kerry, a
USNR officer with a service commitment, acknowledges he received an early
release from active duty and his Admiral's aide duty. What was *his*
subsequent reserve obligation, which he apparently never performed (running
those rallies with the VVAW would not have been conducive to attending
weekend drills...)? Will our media give equal consideration to investigating
*his* records background vis a vis any reserve commitment he may not have
actually completed?

Brooks


SMH

Kevin Brooks wrote:

"Stephen Harding" wrote in message

I think many people of 1970 would never have believed being
anti-war would be a negative attribute in the future.

You are missing the point of the crystal ball allusion in this case; the
poster meant that Kerry had no way of knowing Hanoi Jane would two years
later become...well, Hanoi Jane. But in actuality, Kerry had an apparently

That's precisely the point I was trying to reference, although
perhaps with poor examples.

Playing one's Leftist, anti-war games is one thing; actually
visiting the camp of your active enemy quite another. Yet
this sort of thing has become de rigeur for groups attempting
to score points in opposition to US administration goals.
Quite a few people, some of them prominent, made visits to
Iraq just before the war. They invariably return with a "new
understanding" of the target people who "do not want war".

Unfortunately, the political polarization in the US between
conservative and liberal has become so extreme, that the
slightest "discrepancy" or "fuzzy info" becomes material to
be "spun up" into scandal. Try to put the spin you want on
the info (or lack of it), hand it to selected members of
the press favorable to your views, present it as "news" and
see if it gains "traction".

Both sides do it, but since Republicans have predominately
occupied the White House since Nixon, they have been more
often the targets.

If Kerry thought of being President some day (as apparently
Clinton did from college days), he might have stayed clear
of Jane...but only if he realized the political climate *of the
nation* might change. People get older, sometimes wiser,
friends and cliques separate, and people mature (generally).

The political world you inhabit today might not be the one you
must live and work in 10 or 20 years! And in the current US
political climate, *anything* you do is going to get dredged
up and negatively spun by your political opponents if you run
from President.

These must be great times for private investigators!


SMH

"Stephen Harding" wrote

I think many people of 1970 would never have believed being
anti-war would be a negative attribute in the future.

It was more than anti-war. Kerry was against representative government,
and thought that a vocal minority should have more power than the silent
majority of the republic. He was anti-government. His view of government,
like all communists, is that a Central Planning Authority should distribute
the revenue to the communes (Party organs), rather than capitalists
determining what was viable based on the market. It's the classic serfdom
versus freedom struggle (communists versus capitalists).

Kerry's voting record is pure communism. He is a communist.

S. Sampson wrote:
"Stephen Harding" wrote

I think many people of 1970 would never have believed being
anti-war would be a negative attribute in the future.

It was more than anti-war. Kerry was against representative government,
and thought that a vocal minority should have more power than the silent
majority of the republic. He was anti-government. His view of government,
like all communists, is that a Central Planning Authority should distribute
the revenue to the communes (Party organs), rather than capitalists
determining what was viable based on the market. It's the classic serfdom
versus freedom struggle (communists versus capitalists).

Kerry's voting record is pure communism. He is a communist.

You got any way of proving any of what you're saying or are you making it all up
as you go along?

George Z.

"George Z. Bush" wrote
S. Sampson wrote:
"Stephen Harding" wrote

I think many people of 1970 would never have believed being
anti-war would be a negative attribute in the future.

It was more than anti-war. Kerry was against representative government,
and thought that a vocal minority should have more power than the silent
majority of the republic. He was anti-government. His view of government,
like all communists, is that a Central Planning Authority should distribute
the revenue to the communes (Party organs), rather than capitalists
determining what was viable based on the market. It's the classic serfdom
versus freedom struggle (communists versus capitalists).

Kerry's voting record is pure communism. He is a communist.

You got any way of proving any of what you're saying

Yes.

or are you making it all up as you go along?

No.

"George Z. Bush" wrote
S. Sampson wrote:

Kerry's voting record is pure communism. He is a communist.

You got any way of proving any of what you're saying?

Read about his extermination voting record:

http://www.gb4hr.net/Pages/WaTimes040702.html

Read the paragraph about his being a communist stooge:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...0/131219.shtml

Read about the Chicom's funding his re-election:

http://www.iconoclast.ca/MainPage.as.../NewPage17.asp

Read about his pro-communist stand with Vietnam:

http://www.chronwatch.com/content/co...y.asp?aid=5688

etc, etc, etc

On 2/11/04 5:41 PM, in article , "Stephen
Harding" wrote:

I think many people of 1970 would never have believed being
anti-war would be a negative attribute in the future.

That is hardly a complement.

They were and are a naïve/cowardly/stupid/traitorous [pick one or more] lot.


-----
Jack
-----

The New York Times published the pretty picture of Jane with a toothy
young Kerry behind her in today's paper, along with a story.

You might have to sign in to read it, but hey! you ought to be
registered with the NYT in any event.

http://tinyurl.com/375q3


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