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On Jan 27, 2:03*am, bumper wrote:
From the NTSB report, "Examination of the tow airplane tail hook assembly revealed that the mounting plate was bent upward and the heads of two connecting bolts were in contact with the base of the rudder. The tail hook was intact and remained attached to the mounting plate. The hook was in the locked position, closed around the tow ring. The release cable remained attached to the hook and was continuous to the cockpit release handle. Functional testing of the tail hook assembly revealed no anomalies, and the assembly functioned appropriately." I'm really surprised at the above part of the NTSB report - - my take is a bit different. I visited the yard where the wreckage was stored, some weeks after the accident, as I happened to be there on other business. I was not allowed to take pictures but did examine the wreckage and in particular, the tow hook assembly. I'm not an expert on aviation wreckage examination, I am trained in auto accident investigation. There were two Schweizer tow hooks mounted to a flat plate, with an additional mounting hole for a third hook, all side-by-side ( I understand multiple tow hooks are sometimes used for banner towing.) The multiple hook mounting plate was attached to the aircraft via what looked to be an alluminum bar, guessing 1/4" thick by 1.5" wide and extending back maybe 8" from the rudder post spring mount . . . you would be correct if you concluded this bar offered minimal resistance to vertical loads without bending. As the NTSB says, the bar was bent upwards and had impacted the lower part of the rudder, deforming bending the bottom bow of the rudder up in the process. Though this jammed the rudder, given the low altitude and nose down attitude pre- crash, the jammed rudder probably was not causal. The upward bend and position of the tow hooks inserted a significant amout of slack in the tow release cable forward of the hook. This slack, along with the new geometry or position of the tow hook with respect to the release cable (i.e. now would be pulling upward on the release toggle instead of forward as necessary to release the hook), looked to me like it would have been impossible to release the tow hook/s from the cockpit, even with no load on the hook. Otherwise the hook appeared to be functional, just not by the cable (note that I did not touch or try to operate the hook by hand - - I was only allowed to look, not touch). From what I saw, I believe the tow hook installation was inadequate and unsafe. If it was causative, it was doubtless not the only cause of this accident, though. It may well be that even if the mount had been designed with the cutomary strength common in tow planes (rather than just being adequate for banner towing) that a kiting glider would still have resulted in the same tragic outcome. I'm posting this as I think the NTSB overlooked and/or glossed over the role the bent tow hook mount may have played, and in doing so missed an opportunity for us to learn from this. As we know even a properly installed upright Schweizer hook can be difficult to release with upward loading. If the mount is inadequate (that aluminum bar comes to mind) and bends up easily, unless the Bowden cable is installed in such a way that the cable stays in line with the hook (i.e. perpendicular to the release toggle) *and, unless there's a way for the release lever or mechanism in the cockpit to take up any extra slack that my be induced by the bent mount, I'd say there's no hope of releasing whatsoever - - even if the tuggie is right on it. bumper Amazing the NTSB overlooked the tow hook installation and completely disregarded the most likely probable cause - that the tug had an unrecoverable upset caused the glider being out of position. This report, and one for a tow fatal at Peoria, AZ, seem to show that NTSB is completely unfamiliar with the tug upset scenario. The combination of a 2-33 which requires considerable forward stick pressure to maintain position on tow, a distracted glider pilot, and a ****ty tug tow hook was a sure set up for another dead tow pilot. Andy |
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On Jan 27, 1:03*am, bumper wrote:
From the NTSB report, "Examination of the tow airplane tail hook assembly revealed that the mounting plate was bent upward and the heads of two connecting bolts were in contact with the base of the rudder. The tail hook was intact and remained attached to the mounting plate. The hook was in the locked position, closed around the tow ring. The release cable remained attached to the hook and was continuous to the cockpit release handle. Functional testing of the tail hook assembly revealed no anomalies, and the assembly functioned appropriately." I'm really surprised at the above part of the NTSB report - - my take is a bit different. I visited the yard where the wreckage was stored, some weeks after the accident, as I happened to be there on other business. I was not allowed to take pictures but did examine the wreckage and in particular, the tow hook assembly. I'm not an expert on aviation wreckage examination, I am trained in auto accident investigation. There were two Schweizer tow hooks mounted to a flat plate, with an additional mounting hole for a third hook, all side-by-side ( I understand multiple tow hooks are sometimes used for banner towing.) The multiple hook mounting plate was attached to the aircraft via what looked to be an alluminum bar, guessing 1/4" thick by 1.5" wide and extending back maybe 8" from the rudder post spring mount . . . you would be correct if you concluded this bar offered minimal resistance to vertical loads without bending. As the NTSB says, the bar was bent upwards and had impacted the lower part of the rudder, deforming bending the bottom bow of the rudder up in the process. Though this jammed the rudder, given the low altitude and nose down attitude pre- crash, the jammed rudder probably was not causal. The upward bend and position of the tow hooks inserted a significant amout of slack in the tow release cable forward of the hook. This slack, along with the new geometry or position of the tow hook with respect to the release cable (i.e. now would be pulling upward on the release toggle instead of forward as necessary to release the hook), looked to me like it would have been impossible to release the tow hook/s from the cockpit, even with no load on the hook. Otherwise the hook appeared to be functional, just not by the cable (note that I did not touch or try to operate the hook by hand - - I was only allowed to look, not touch). From what I saw, I believe the tow hook installation was inadequate and unsafe. If it was causative, it was doubtless not the only cause of this accident, though. It may well be that even if the mount had been designed with the cutomary strength common in tow planes (rather than just being adequate for banner towing) that a kiting glider would still have resulted in the same tragic outcome. I'm posting this as I think the NTSB overlooked and/or glossed over the role the bent tow hook mount may have played, and in doing so missed an opportunity for us to learn from this. As we know even a properly installed upright Schweizer hook can be difficult to release with upward loading. If the mount is inadequate (that aluminum bar comes to mind) and bends up easily, unless the Bowden cable is installed in such a way that the cable stays in line with the hook (i.e. perpendicular to the release toggle) *and, unless there's a way for the release lever or mechanism in the cockpit to take up any extra slack that my be induced by the bent mount, I'd say there's no hope of releasing whatsoever - - even if the tuggie is right on it. bumper I guess this largely depends on what exact post-crash functional testing of the release mechanism that the NTSB did. Did they test with the tow hook loaded up with a rope at appropriate (high) angles? Does anybody know if the aluminum (or could it be duralium - either way it sounds surprisingly weak to bending) mount was a part of a kit or was custom fabricated? Was it installed via a 337 for glider towing or banner towing only? (There are no STC for tow hooks on Pawnees AFAIK so it would have been a 337). Especially if others are flying with a similar setups we need to try hard to help prevent another tow release accident. Maybe this is something the SSA could followup on with the NTSB folks involved. Its a tragedy that the tow pilot was killed, and I'd hate to see something missed even if there are other impairment factors here. When aerotowing I get towed mostly behind Pawnees that have retractable tow ropes and rope guillotines. That big handle is going to work if needed. The soaring community is dependent on towplanes and all our great tow pilots who support us and its very sad to see accidents like this happening. Darryl |
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The following extracts come from multiple years of SSF(Soaring Safety
Foundation) Safety Reviews. See the reports for more details on each of the accidents. http://www.soaringsafety.org/prevention/reports.html The SSF does not know how many hours or flights were flown by gliders/ tow planes so the following is raw data and not statistics. ACCIDENTS INVOLVING TOW PLANES 2009 During FY09, one accident involving tow aircraft occurred resulting in fatal injuries to the pilot. The tow-plane was towing a Schweizer glider when it crashed shortly after takeoff. 2008 During FY08, one accident involving tow aircraft occurred resulting in no injuries to the pilot. As noted above, tow-plane was involved in a mid- air collision with the glider it had just released. 2007 During FY07, one accident involving tow aircraft occurred resulting in fatal injuries to the pilot. As noted above, the glider released after noticing a problem with the towplane. The towplane departed the right side of the runway and crashed while attempting to avoid trees. 2006 During FY06 only a single accident directly involved a towplane. As noted below, the towplane was preparing to launch when it was struck by a landing glider. The pilot of a Piper Pawnee (PA-25-235) was uninjured when the airplane was struck by a landing Grob 103 glider. The glider pilot received minor injuries while the passenger was uninjured. *NTSB SEA06LA163A and SEA06LA163B. 2005 During 2005, three accidents involving tow aircraft occurred during the landing phase of flight. One commercially rated and two privately rated pilots received no injuries as a result of these accidents, but all three airplanes were substantially damaged during the event. 2004 During 2004, five accidents involving tow aircraft occurred during the take-off phase of flight. As a result of these accidents, two pilots were fatally injured, two pilots received no injuries, and one pilot and one passenger received minor injuries. Additionally, two tow aircraft were destroyed and three were substantially damaged during these events. 2000-2003 Not available on the above SSF link. 1999 During 1999, four accidents involving tow aircraft were reported to the National Transportation Safety Board. Two of these accidents occurred in-flight while the remaining events were divided between the takeoff and landing phases of flight. As a result of these accidents, two pilots were fatally injured and two aircraft were destroyed. 1998 During 1998, three accidents involving tow aircraft occurred during the takeoff phase of flight. As a result of these accidents, one pilot was fatally injured and two pilots received minor injuries. Additionally, two tow aircraft were substantially damaged and a third was destroyed. |
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