"The New Soldier" by John Kerry et al

"D. Strang" wrote in message
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Is Bush's open support for the continued off-shoring of American
high-tech jobs to 2nd and 3rd world countries and example of Bush
putting the USA first?

It's not high-tech. What jobs are being lost, are jobs that Americans
don't want to do, and those jobs enrich our trading partners.

Like the 5000 software develpment positions that IBM is moving to India and
China?
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3717418/

Or *all* of Levi Strauss's plants in the US?

Naaa...those guys and gals didn't really want those jobs.

If we have all the jobs, who are we going to export to?

If we have no more jobs, what can we buy?

Pete

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 06:29:08 GMT, "Pete" wrote:

Like the 5000 software develpment positions that IBM is moving to India and
China?

You are conflating your figures. IBM is off-shoring 3000 jobs and
adding 5000, for a net gain of 2000. That is pretty typical.

To be sure, not all of the 3000 will qualify for the 5000 jobs. It's
the dispossessed that Dean, Edwards, and now Kerry are tapping into.

This kind of creative destruction has been going on for over a century
in the U.S., and is the major source of its wealth today. In the 1930s
it was the New Hampshire textile workers who were hurting as their
jobs went to the South. More recently it was the Southern textile
workers who were hurting as their jobs went to Bangladesh.

Just make sure your kids have a good education, and they'll be better
off than you ever were.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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"Pete" wrote

Like the 5000 software develpment positions that IBM is moving to India and
China?

Do you know anyone who uses IBM software? Let's get realistic here.

Or *all* of Levi Strauss's plants in the US?

I haven't bought Levi's since the early 70's. They are too expensive. If I
was the CEO, I would have ended the company years ago. With NAFTA
they now have a chance to get competitive again.

Naaa...those guys and gals didn't really want those jobs.

I feel for those workers who want to keep making things that people don't buy,
but my gut tells me that they need to educate themselves. Our city needs over
10,000 health-care workers. X-Ray techs, respiratory techs, nurses, etc, etc.
We should give 0% interest loans to students who need vo-tech training.

If we have all the jobs, who are we going to export to?

If we have no more jobs, what can we buy?

We have plenty of jobs. We don't have investment in training. If India will
provide trained workers, and the States won't; which decision do you think
a Capitalist will make, all other things being equal?

"D. Strang" wrote in message
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"Pete" wrote

Like the 5000 software develpment positions that IBM is moving to India
and
China?

Do you know anyone who uses IBM software? Let's get realistic here.


Well yes actually , we us the Rational development tools for example
and DB2 is still rather heavily used for major database projects.

Keith

In article 6SnYb.450$Ru5.434@okepread03,
"D. Strang" wrote:

"Pete" wrote

Like the 5000 software develpment positions that IBM is moving to India and
China?

Do you know anyone who uses IBM software? Let's get realistic here.

They don't do games...they *do* sell a lot of expensive enterprise
software, which other companies use to run their businesses.

"Steve Hix" wrote
"D. Strang" wrote:

"Pete" wrote

Like the 5000 software develpment positions that IBM is moving to India and
China?

Do you know anyone who uses IBM software? Let's get realistic here.

They don't do games...they *do* sell a lot of expensive enterprise
software, which other companies use to run their businesses.

Our company was 100% IBM AIX since 1988. We finally had to let them go last
year.

In article wTIYb.898$Ru5.566@okepread03,
"D. Strang" wrote:

"Steve Hix" wrote
"D. Strang" wrote:

"Pete" wrote

Like the 5000 software develpment positions that IBM is moving to India
and
China?

Do you know anyone who uses IBM software? Let's get realistic here.

They don't do games...they *do* sell a lot of expensive enterprise
software, which other companies use to run their businesses.

Our company was 100% IBM AIX since 1988. We finally had to let them go last
year.

's OK, they've picked up other customers.