Change the rules for the National Guard.?

Art suggested:

How about we fix it so that in case of national emergency the guard goes
FIRST
before the regular troops. Great idea huh? Think we would still get everyone
flocking to the National Guard in that case? I know Bush would have been
first
in line to join up.. Right?

Okay Art, then be prepared to pay through the nose to pay for the additional
training time and equipment to get ALL guard units up to speed. You can't do it
just one State at a time, you'll have to upgrade all the States and all the
units.
The active components have already shoved all the functions they can off to the
Guard and Reserve, such as MP operations and Civil Affairs.
And where do we get all of the current equipment necessary to fully equip the
guard units on a front line basis? Pull it from the active components?
Get real Art, the Guard and Reserves are a backup to the active duty people, an
augmentation force that is a little faster than the draft.
Hell, while we're at it reinstiute the draft, everyone goes, no exclusions,
none. Objectors do forestry work, excess personnel do remedial work in the
slums or the backwoods. Physically unfit do their turn too, everyone goes.
Let's be fair.
Everyone keeps a firearm at home with their bicycle and other gear for more
rapid response.
Lets do away with active vs reserve, everyone gets a turn. Keep a cadre of
volunteers at the armory/airfield.
Let's pull out of all overseas bases while we are at it!
Everyone into the Militia, ages 18 through 65. Worked/works other places and
times.


Rick

"OXMORON1" wrote in message
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The Guard places America's attention on a war in the ways it affects those
at home.

What LBJ did by not using the Guard to it's capabilities was a part of what
created a quagmire.

If you want to know who killed JFK, just follow the money.

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"OXMORON1" wrote in message
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The Guard places America's attention on a war in the ways it affects those
at home.

What LBJ did by not using the Guard to it's capabilities was a part of
what
created a quagmire.

After Vietnam the Guard and Reserve were deliberately given missions that
made it IMPOSSIBLE to have a medium to major scale war without significant
callups.



If you want to know who killed JFK, just follow the money.

After Vietnam the Guard and Reserve were deliberately given missions that
made it IMPOSSIBLE to have a medium to major scale war without significant
callups.

Just so. Take civil affairs, for example. During the 1980s, there was
no civil affairs unit in the U.S. Army. I believe the same was
(perhaps is) true of chemical warfare. The army got rid of these
specialist jobs to the guard, just as it got rid of KP to civilian
contractors.

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After Vietnam the Guard and Reserve were deliberately given missions that
made it IMPOSSIBLE to have a medium to major scale war without
significant
callups.

Just so. Take civil affairs, for example. During the 1980s, there was
no civil affairs unit in the U.S. Army. I believe the same was
(perhaps is) true of chemical warfare. The army got rid of these
specialist jobs to the guard, just as it got rid of KP to civilian
contractors.

There were indeed chemical units in the AC during the 80's. One chem company
was assigned to each division; our seperate brigade a a smaller detachment
level organization. Focus for these units was on decon and smoke. Likewise,
while some 96% of the CA force was found in the USAR, there has indeed been
an AC unit in the structure--at one time it was the 95th CA Group, which was
stood down in the early seventies and replaced by the 96th CA Battalion at
Bragg, where it has been based ever since then, now under ARSOC.

Brooks


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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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How about we fix it so that in case of national emergency the guard goes
FIRST
before the regular troops. Great idea huh? Think we would still get
everyone
flocking to the National Guard in that case? I know Bush would have been
first
in line to join up.. Right?

What happened to not posting OT political crap, Art?

"Ragnar" wrote in message
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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How about we fix it so that in case of national emergency the guard goes
FIRST
before the regular troops. Great idea huh? Think we would still get
everyone
flocking to the National Guard in that case? I know Bush would have
been
first
in line to join up.. Right?

What happened to not posting OT political crap, Art?

He'll rejoin that rant when *someone else* posts something he deems to be
OT. The last time he brayed about that subject it was like a whole *day*
after he himself started that UCMG thread...

Brooks

I'm active duty, so take this however you want.....

The first thing I thought about when I joined is, "What if we go to
war? What if I have to deploy for long periods?"

You are a moron, active or reserves if you can't figure out someday
you might have to go to war. Sure, you cross your fingers and hope it
never happens. But then you should be ready to go if the flag goes up.

Kevin said some pretty accurate things in his statements about some of
the military being along for the free ride then bitching when it comes
time to pay the dues.

I don't know about the Guard as far as single parents go,, but I'm
sure it's similar to active duty. They have to sign a "dependancy care
certificate", that gets approved by the command. It states what kind
of plan and who will take care of your dependants when you deploy.
Bottom line is EVERYONE must be fully deployable, (except for those
recovering from injury, illness etc. and are on temporary limited
duty). No exceptions, if they don't like it, they can go work
someplace else. This is only fair and equal treatment, you can't make
special exceptions for single parents period.


On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 16:12:47 -0500, "Kevin Brooks"
wrote:


"Ragnar" wrote in message
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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How about we fix it so that in case of national emergency the guard goes
FIRST
before the regular troops. Great idea huh? Think we would still get
everyone
flocking to the National Guard in that case? I know Bush would have
been
first
in line to join up.. Right?

What happened to not posting OT political crap, Art?

He'll rejoin that rant when *someone else* posts something he deems to be
OT. The last time he brayed about that subject it was like a whole *day*
after he himself started that UCMG thread...

Brooks

"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
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Perhaps this will help:

"fudog50" wrote in message
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On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 16:12:47 -0500, "Kevin Brooks"
wrote:


You are a moron

yeah that helps a lot?

On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 15:59:58 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:


"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
...

Perhaps this will help:

"fudog50" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 16:12:47 -0500, "Kevin Brooks"
wrote:


You are a moron