skyrides are at it again?

On Aug 23, 9:11*am, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Aug 23, 8:59*am, Grider Pirate wrote:





On Aug 22, 11:10*pm, Clyde Rasmusen

wrote:
It is just as sleazy some places on the other side.

One example, the southern NV soaring club uses the legal dba and trademark
of the local FBO to solicit for profit glider rides.

See:http://www.m.superpages.com/mobile/y...lid=0113644510

No accident the web link leads you to:www.lvvsa.organdtheirphone
number.

According to the local flying attourneys, this club is listed with
the Internal Revenue Service and Clark County as a non-profit organization.

Also advertises in the local yellow business pages and not for FAST rides
although an SSA afiliated club.

Just how many millions of dollars did Skydive Arizona win from Skyride for
misrepresentation, fraud, defamation, trademark infringement and lost
revenues?

See:http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/safe...age.cgi?ID=606

So who pays the fines, legal fees and verifiable loss of income when the
glider club gets caught? Unaware club members with their dues and assets or
the bond and note holders.

Word of caution. Dangerous waters, glider clubs.

CLYDE R.
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At 23:15 22 August 2011, JayM wrote:

On Aug 22, 1:06=A0pm, Rex Mayes *wrote:
It seems that the company SkyRides has now formed a new company called
Soaring Sports and has become an SSA business member to hyjack the
F.A.S.T program in order to sell rides.

Some operators will not do business with Sky Rides by honoring the
certificates it sells. =A0Sky Rides has contacted the SSA to sell the
F.A.S.T. program to unknowing customers. =A0These customers call a
gliderport to redeem the F.A.S.T certificate and the operator has no
idea that it was not sold by the SSA but rather, by the Sky Rides
company.

Can any of the operators confirm this?

I talked with Mr Barber today also and it seemed like a good idea at
the time.
But if they are really a re-wrapped Scam outfit we need to nip it
soon.
I wonder how much more than the usual $99 they will charge in order to
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Excuse me?? *I've been a member of the LVVSA for 10 years now. LVVSA
does not, never has, and never will give glider rides for profit. * We
participate in the FAST program. *When people call looking to 'take a
ride' in a glider, we refer them to the local commercial operator. I
personally give about a dozen rides a year - splitting the cost of the
tow and glider with the rider, or in many cases simply paying for the
entire ride myself.

I think Clyde is referring tohttp://www.soaringcenter.net/
being the 'real' Las Vegas Glider Rides and somehow the Superpages
listing is an attempt to 'hijack' this. *However, my business is
listed in Superpages (among 28 others, some of which have no actual
presence or capability here). *So using that as some kind of proof is
bogus. *No idea what the local

Perhaps that's the commercial operator you mention.

I searched for Las Vegas Glider Rides on dexknows.com for Las Vegas
and found nothing. *It did appear for Jean, NV and was the club's
phone and address. *Did the same for Yellowpages.com for Las Vegas and
it linked to the club. *However the website description talked about
it being a member organization with no mention of glider rides. *In
neither case did the Soaring Center get resolved, so maybe they
haven't paid for any advertising or listings.

Clubs are not prohibited from giving rides if their insurance permits
it and they comply with the appropriate FARs. *However, they can't
provide competing services at the same airport as a commercial
operator. *That's an IRS restriction. *They can provide training to
members only and redeeming FAST packages means they must make that
person a member of the club/chapter and complete the SSA Introductory
Membership if participating in the SSA Group Insurance Plan.

A non-profit organization can make a profit. *The restriction is what
is done with the profit. *It must be directed back into the stated
purpose of the organization. *Non-profits may also have unrelated
income, for which they will incur a tax liability.

Type Las Vegas Glider Rides into Google and see what you get and the
order.

That said, my opinion is that clubs shouldn't provide ride services as
a general rule, but concentrate on growing their club and soaring.
Club rides are generally priced such that it's not a big revenue
stream. *That said, there is at least one SSA region with no
commercial operation. *Selling rides to the public denies other
members use of the equipment and perhaps instructors. *In a club/
chapter, it's the membership that's important. *Introductory
memberships and mini-courses of 3-4 lessons allow a prospective full
member to see if they are a good fit for the club and for soaring as
an activity as an exploratory stepping stone, rather than asking them
to plunk down the big money to join up to find that out. *It provides
3 or 4 opportunities to set the hook, to soar away for an hour, and
they hold in their hand a logbook with actual flight lessons logged.
It also sets a price point that drives away the drive-by joy rides.

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Thanks Frank.. and others..
I can assure you that the Southern NV Club, LVVSA, listed in the
original post has been in existance for over 20 years and a Charter
Club listed under SAA. We have been registered with the State of NV
for as many years as a "not for profit" club. We are not a 501C3 or
501c7 club for the IRS purposes.

The "Commercial" Operation at Jean has only been in existance a few
years and piggy backed on our name by using Las Vegas Glider Rides or
Las Vegas Soaring Center.

We at LVVSA have not contracted with any advertiser such as SUPERPAGES
or DEXKNOWS or any company to advertise our soaring club. Those
companies compile information from the local telephone yellow pages
and internet data miners to try and put something together and then
"sell" their adveristing to the user.

I've contacted many companies listed in DEX or SUPERPAGES that have
not contracted with those companies and had to put up with the FALSE
advertising those companies produce without a contract.

And just who to @#$%@#%$ is this CLYDE character that has no idea of
what he speaks.
Maybe he should come down to the Club and See the difference between
the CLUB and the other oufit that operates at Jean.
I would be glad to personally enlighten him.

We only accept FAST certificates and no others.

Bill Tisdale, Club President.