If yiu didn't fight in WW II.....

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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If you didn't fight in WW II do you feel as though your had missed
something?
Do you feel that given your druthers you'd rather have been there than
not? Any
regrets at having missed it? Anyone?

I was in the National Guard doing NORAD duty at ground zero, so I don't
believe I missed anything.

From: "Tarver Engineering"


I was in the National Guard doing NORAD duty at ground zero, so I don't
believe I missed anything.

Congratulations, you were on or near a major city, military base or site,
industrial complex, government center etc. By george, so were the vast majority
of the U.S. population. Wow, look at all them ground zeros. I guess that mean
you were front line duty? Was it rough duty?

You were just one of thousands of wrench benders. So was I.

Want to compare combat duty? I can tell you about my time in AF spec ops or my
participation in the South East Asia War Games and you can tell me..um...
well.. I guess you can tell me about the fights you had with the B girls. Tell
me, did you win any?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Subject: If yiu didn't fight in WW II.....
From: (B2431)
Date: 2/26/04 10:29 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

From: "Tarver Engineering"


I was in the National Guard doing NORAD duty at ground zero, so I don't
believe I missed anything.

Congratulations, you were on or near a major city, military base or site,
industrial complex, government center etc. By george, so were the vast
majority
of the U.S. population. Wow, look at all them ground zeros. I guess that mean
you were front line duty? Was it rough duty?

You were just one of thousands of wrench benders. So was I.

Want to compare combat duty? I can tell you about my time in AF spec ops or
my
participation in the South East Asia War Games and you can tell me..um...
well.. I guess you can tell me about the fights you had with the B girls.
Tell
me, did you win any?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


As Colin Powell said:

"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and
well-placed managed to wangle slots in the Army Reserve and National
Guard units... Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class
discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all
Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country."

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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As Colin Powell said:

"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and
well-placed managed to wangle slots in the Army Reserve and National
Guard units... Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class
discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all
Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country."

You are such an insulting old ****, Art.

Without the Guard, you would be dead.

ubject: If yiu didn't fight in WW II.....
From: "Tarver Engineering"
Date: 2/27/04 7:21 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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As Colin Powell said:

"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and
well-placed managed to wangle slots in the Army Reserve and National
Guard units... Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class
discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all
Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country."

You are such an insulting old ****, Art.

Without the Guard, you would be dead.


Colin Powell said it, Not me. I guess he is the insulting old ****. Right?



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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ubject: If yiu didn't fight in WW II.....
From: "Tarver Engineering"
Date: 2/27/04 7:21 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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As Colin Powell said:

"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and
well-placed managed to wangle slots in the Army Reserve and National
Guard units... Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class
discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all
Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country."

You are such an insulting old ****, Art.

Without the Guard, you would be dead.

Colin Powell said it, Not me. I guess he is the insulting old ****.
Right?

Powell was refering to JFK's war and LBJ's failure to call up the National
Guard.

Without the Guard, you would be dead, Art.

Art wrote:
Colin Powell said it, Not me. I guess he is the insulting old ****. Right?


Art, you have been asked to consider and clarify the time period that Powell
was talking about and you refuse to do so.
You are painting a couple of hundred years of the Militia with one broad stroke
(based on Powell's referal IIRC to a brief time frame of about 6 to 10 years).
The fact that some people (some not all) used the Guard as an avoidance of what
they considered an idiotic war is insulting to a lot of people who did their
job.
I wouldn't call you an insulting old f#*k, but at times you can be a
belligerent ass.
This time you are being a belligerent ass in the first degree.
And yes contacts help even in the advertizing business. You ever use any
influence? Ever call your Senator or Representative? Ever ask for a favor?
Next time I am going to ask for a clerk's job in MACV HQ or go for Club officer
at the local aerodrome.

Rick Clark
MFE

On 27 Feb 2004 16:30:35 GMT, (OXMORON1) wrote:

Art wrote:
Colin Powell said it, Not me. I guess he is the insulting old ****. Right?


Art, you have been asked to consider and clarify the time period that Powell
was talking about and you refuse to do so.
You are painting a couple of hundred years of the Militia with one broad stroke
(based on Powell's referal IIRC to a brief time frame of about 6 to 10 years).
The fact that some people (some not all) used the Guard as an avoidance of what
they considered an idiotic war is insulting to a lot of people who did their
job.
I wouldn't call you an insulting old f#*k, but at times you can be a
belligerent ass.
This time you are being a belligerent ass in the first degree.
And yes contacts help even in the advertizing business. You ever use any
influence? Ever call your Senator or Representative? Ever ask for a favor?
Next time I am going to ask for a clerk's job in MACV HQ or go for Club officer
at the local aerodrome.

My last day on active duty at Ft. Knox in 1984, I was walking out of
the US Army Armor and Engineer Board, on the way to drive to the
Officer's Club for a last drink with a friend. An old guy and his
wife (he thought I was an EM because he didn't recognize subdued
insignia) asked me to take a picture of him in front of a static
monument armored vehicle. It turned out that he'd been in the
Philippines in December 1941 in a National Guard tank batallion.
Really nice old guy, and pretty cheerful for somebody who survived the
Bataan Death March....

--
More blood for oil... in my name!

"ArtKramr" wrote

As Colin Powell said:

"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and
well-placed managed to wangle slots in the Army Reserve and National
Guard units... Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class
discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all
Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country."

Only a black man would think like that.

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 16:46:50 -0600, "D. Strang"
wrote:

"ArtKramr" wrote

As Colin Powell said:

"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and
well-placed managed to wangle slots in the Army Reserve and National
Guard units... Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class
discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all
Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country."

Only a black man would think like that.

or have reason to?

--
More blood for oil... in my name!