Is it easier now?

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Is it easier now?
From: Tank Fixer
Date: 2/26/04 7:46 PM Pacific Standard Time
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In article ,
on 26 Feb 2004 20:44:20 GMT,
ArtKramr attempted to say .....

Subject: Is it easier now?
From: "Tarver Engineering"
Date: 2/26/04 12:13 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Did military discipline become looser and more liberal since WWI?.
Is
military life easier now than it was then?

Do you mean compared to when the Oklahoma National Guard (45th
Infantry)
liberated Dachau?



"Liberated" ? As I remember it there was no German resistance whatever.
All
the
Germans had left and they just walked in without a shot being fired.
Hardly
the
equivalent of landing on Omaha beach was it?. (sheesh)

Yes, I guess your right.

I mean the 41st Infantry had an easy time in New Guinea during 1942/43.

Or that Provisional Tank battalion that ended up on the Bataan penensula
in 1941 as infantry after they ran out of fuel.

I mean, they were just National Guard troops....
Not real soldiers, right Art ?



At least Bush wasn't hiding in those units right?

Why not just answer the question instead of trying to hide behind personal
attacks?

Subject: Is it easier now?
From: "Ragnar"
Date: 2/27/04 12:18 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Is it easier now?
From: Tank Fixer
Date: 2/26/04 7:46 PM Pacific Standard Time
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In article ,
on 26 Feb 2004 20:44:20 GMT,
ArtKramr attempted to say .....

Subject: Is it easier now?
From: "Tarver Engineering"
Date: 2/26/04 12:13 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


"ArtKramr" wrote in message
...
Did military discipline become looser and more liberal since WWI?.
Is
military life easier now than it was then?

Do you mean compared to when the Oklahoma National Guard (45th
Infantry)
liberated Dachau?



"Liberated" ? As I remember it there was no German resistance whatever.
All
the
Germans had left and they just walked in without a shot being fired.
Hardly
the
equivalent of landing on Omaha beach was it?. (sheesh)

Yes, I guess your right.

I mean the 41st Infantry had an easy time in New Guinea during 1942/43.

Or that Provisional Tank battalion that ended up on the Bataan penensula
in 1941 as infantry after they ran out of fuel.

I mean, they were just National Guard troops....
Not real soldiers, right Art ?



At least Bush wasn't hiding in those units right?

Why not just answer the question instead of trying to hide behind personal
attacks?


I'll let Colin Powell answer for me:

"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and
well-placed managed to wangle slots in the Army Reserve and National
Guard units... Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class
discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all
Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country."




Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Is it easier now?
From: "Ragnar"
Date: 2/27/04 12:18 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Is it easier now?
From: Tank Fixer
Date: 2/26/04 7:46 PM Pacific Standard Time
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In article ,
on 26 Feb 2004 20:44:20 GMT,
ArtKramr attempted to say .....

Subject: Is it easier now?
From: "Tarver Engineering"
Date: 2/26/04 12:13 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


"ArtKramr" wrote in message
...
Did military discipline become looser and more liberal since
WWI?.
Is
military life easier now than it was then?

Do you mean compared to when the Oklahoma National Guard (45th
Infantry)
liberated Dachau?



"Liberated" ? As I remember it there was no German resistance
whatever.
All
the
Germans had left and they just walked in without a shot being fired.
Hardly
the
equivalent of landing on Omaha beach was it?. (sheesh)

Yes, I guess your right.

I mean the 41st Infantry had an easy time in New Guinea during
1942/43.

Or that Provisional Tank battalion that ended up on the Bataan
penensula
in 1941 as infantry after they ran out of fuel.

I mean, they were just National Guard troops....
Not real soldiers, right Art ?



At least Bush wasn't hiding in those units right?

Why not just answer the question instead of trying to hide behind
personal
attacks?


I'll let Colin Powell answer for me:

"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and
well-placed managed to wangle slots in the Army Reserve and National
Guard units... Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class
discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all
Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country."

Was Colin Powell talking about the NG personnel in question at Bataan or on
New Guinea (while you were still whining in high school)? Nope. Still can't
bear to face the question, huh?

Brooks





Arthur Kramer

Mr Kramer wrote:

I'll let Colin Powell answer for me:

"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and
well-placed managed to wangle slots in the Army Reserve and National
Guard units... Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class
discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all
Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country."


A little improvement, at least now Art puts it in quotation marks and
attributes it to someone else. Not trying to make it appear to be his original
thought as he did at the start of the go round on the National Guard.

Try answering the question Art!

Art, you were in advertizing, correct? Did you ever have an original thought?

Rick Clark

"ArtKramr" wrote

"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and
well-placed managed to wangle slots in the Army Reserve and National
Guard units... Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class
discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all
Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country."

Only a black man would think like that.

Subject: Is it easier now?
From: "D. Strang"
Date: 2/27/04 2:55 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: 4WP%b.6169$m4.4056@okepread03

"ArtKramr" wrote

"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and
well-placed managed to wangle slots in the Army Reserve and National
Guard units... Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class
discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all
Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to their country."

Only a black man would think like that.


No comment.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" "I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and
well-placed managed to wangle slots in the Army Reserve and National

Why is the ANG being put down by so many? They provide a very usefull
reserve function and in many cases are regular force members that have
returned to civilian life. In Canada we call these units the reserves.
They are now being used by the CF on many peace keeping and peace making
missions. Most of our reserves are Army types but there is also an air and
naval element reserves. I think they do a dammed fine job.
Ed

Subject: Is it easier now?
From: "Ed Majden"
Date: 2/27/04 6:55 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: EqT%b.633877$X%5.197935@pd7tw2no


"ArtKramr" "I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and
well-placed managed to wangle slots in the Army Reserve and National

Why is the ANG being put down by so many? They provide a very usefull
reserve function and in many cases are regular force members that have
returned to civilian life. In Canada we call these units the reserves.
They are now being used by the CF on many peace keeping and peace making
missions. Most of our reserves are Army types but there is also an air and
naval element reserves. I think they do a dammed fine job.
Ed



That was not my quote. It was made by General Colin Powell in his book.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote

That was not my quote. It was made by General Colin Powell in his book.

In the narrow context of Vietnam before the lottery system. Before about
1965, no one joined the NG or Reserves out of civilian life, they joined it
after active duty. Most people took their draft, and ended up in Germany
or Korea (and no one asked about a ****ing exit-strategy). Most served,
got the clap, and were home to momma before anyone knew they were
gone.

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Is it easier now?
From: "Ed Majden"
Date: 2/27/04 6:55 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: EqT%b.633877$X%5.197935@pd7tw2no


"ArtKramr" "I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and
well-placed managed to wangle slots in the Army Reserve and National

Why is the ANG being put down by so many? They provide a very
usefull
reserve function and in many cases are regular force members that have
returned to civilian life. In Canada we call these units the reserves.
They are now being used by the CF on many peace keeping and peace making
missions. Most of our reserves are Army types but there is also an air
and
naval element reserves. I think they do a dammed fine job.
Ed



That was not my quote. It was made by General Colin Powell in his book.

No, your comments regarding the Guard have been even worse. ISTR you just
recently labled the Guardsmen who served during WWII as "shirkers", did you
not? Those "shirkers" who were struggling to survive the Bataan Death March,
the combination of disease and Japanese bullets at Bloody Buna, and were
some the first troops ashore at Normandy? Stop weaseliing away by trying to
put the blame on Powell--you are the one who keeps taking his quote out of
context in regards to the WWII period.

Brooks



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer