Countering Widespread Ignorance About the National Guard

(ArtKramr) wrote:

Subject: Countering Widespread Ignorance About the National Guard
From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 2/28/04 4:30 PM Pacific Standard Time

his latest evidence of your complete and utter lack of touch with reality
(either then or now) and joining the evidently growing number of folks who
have figured you out for what you really are.

Brooks

You are a lying piece of crap.

PLONK
Arthur Kramer

Well arthur, now you really do have a reason to quit this ng in a
hissy fit, certainly a much better reason than when you quit it
for awhile when I took you to task for insulting your enlisted
crewmembers about their lack of intelligence, remember?

Looks like Brooks has you pretty well squared away here I'd say.

Shame too, you're one of the few veterans who has front line
experience in WW2. Many young people could learn much from you,
and it's important that they do that too, the more people who
know of war the more pressure can be applied for peace.

It's a damned shame that you're such an ignorant prick.
--

-Gord.

Many young people could learn much from you

I doubt it. Art's memeories are so twisted and distorted, either by time or his
God awful personality (or both?), that anything coming out his mouth or
keyboard should immediately disregarded.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

On 2/28/04 5:53 PM, in article ,
"ArtKramr" wrote:

I was originally talking bout WW II and many high school kids who went for
the guard and Reserves to delay serving their country. My words have since
been twisted and distorted out of all recognition.

Does that include your reference to Colin Powel: not a very good basis for
argument concerning events 30 years earlier, is it?


Jack
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Making the French unhappy is
just a pleasant side benefit
of doing the right thing"
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"Jack" wrote in message
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On 2/28/04 5:53 PM, in article
,
"ArtKramr" wrote:

I was originally talking bout WW II and many high school kids who went
for
the guard and Reserves to delay serving their country. My words have
since
been twisted and distorted out of all recognition.

Does that include your reference to Colin Powel: not a very good basis for
argument concerning events 30 years earlier, is it?

Since the Guard was Federalized in 1940 when Art would have been 15, it is
just another false memory. Much like Billy Blythe remembering Black church
burnings in his youth in Arkansas.

Just politics, nothing personal.

In article ,
on 28 Feb 2004 23:53:02 GMT,
ArtKramr attempted to say .....

Subject: Countering Widespread Ignorance About the National Guard
From: "Rick Folkers"

Now Art, were there people in the guard who got in through favors? I am
sure there were just as favors are pulled daily in any activity that
government is involved in. Just as some people in WWII got false deferments
or pulled strings to get plush assignments. Were there cowards in the NG?
I am sure. We tried to run them off. But you know what, there were cowards
in the Army Air Corps in WWII, but we don't paint all the vets with that
broad brush.

Art, it is time you admitted you know nothing about the current military or
National Guard and ask instead of castigating and revealing your vast
ignorance. You would a much better chance of being taken seriously if you
acted like you were actually learning once in a while.

I retired after a 26 year career with the active army, the National Guard,
and the Army Reserve. I remain just as proud of my time with the Guard and
Reserves as with the Army in Vietnam. But I try to live in the current age
and keep learning rather than rest on my laurels. You could try the same.



I was originally talking bout WW II and many high sbchool kids who went for
the guard and Reserves to delay serving their country. My words have since
been twisted and distorted out of all recognition. If in 1943 you went into the
guard you were held in contempt as someone who wanted to avoid serving his
country, And that is the way it was back then and nothing said here can change
that. I never said that once in the guard the guard did not serve well. My
grievance was only with those who hid in the guard hoping they would never be
called. The jokes on them.

Art, you are a simpering fool. There was no National Guard in 1943. They
had all been called to active duty in 1940 to early 1941.

There were some state guard forces for those not able to qualify for
active service. But they were not subject to any mobilization.

The joke IS you Art, give it up.



--
When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

The Americal Division was formed in WW2 (May 1942) from the 132 Regiment
Illinois National Guard, 164 Regiment North Dakota National Guard, 182 Regiment
Massachussetts National Guard. Commanded by Maj. Gen. Alexander Patch, it
served on Guadalcanal. The North Dakota Guard Regiment played the key role in
smashing the largest Japanese offensive of the campaign, in October 1942. The
147 Regiment Ohio National Guard served independently on Guadalcanal, working
closely with Marine units.
Besides the Americal most of the rest of the Army's combat strength in the
South Pacific and New Guinea came from five National Guard Divisions, 41, 43
formed around Connecticut National Guard, 32 formed around Wisconsin and
Michigan National Guards (and commanded by Maj. General Edwin Harding, coauthor
of the Army Infantry Manual), 37 formed around Ohio National Guard and the 25
formed around Washington National Guard.
The 37th, 25th and 43rd fought on New Georgia, the 41 and 32 on New Guinea.