The French oil connection

In article ,
"ArVa" wrote:

You really don't understand much (and know even less) if you still believe
that the oil was the French government's main motive... (though it certainly
was a concern).

Yeah - it was the cash payments to French politicians that was really
important, with future armaments sales ciming in a close second.

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Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

Oh yeah. And we are happy enough to keep our way of life, our good food,
not the Mac do's one our cheeses and YOUR Wives...

"Nemo l'ancien" wrote in message
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Oh yeah. And we are happy enough to keep our way of life, our good food,
not the Mac do's one our cheeses and YOUR Wives...

Actually funny you should say that since McDonalds is doing very well in
France. And most women run away from Frenchmen after catching one whiff -
your nation takes the fewest baths and changes it's underwear the least
frequently of any western nation!

Jarg

"Pierre-Henri Baras" wrote in message
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"Alan Minyard" a écrit dans le message de news:
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France betrayed all those that thought her a friend. WMDs may have
been an intelligence failure, but the Total/Elf deals were criminal
behavior.

What about the juicy contracts US oil companys were about to sign with the
Taliban, during the summer before 9/11 ??? You know, the pipelines
through
Afghanistan.....


Unlike the situation with Iraq there were no UN sanctions in place so it
would have been legal for Unocal to go ahead but in fact it withdrew
from the deal in December 1998, almost 3 years before the Sept 11
attacks when the true nature of the Taliban regime became clear.


2 wrongs don't make 1 right, but just stop giving out moral lessons, OK?


But 1 right and 1 wrong make an interesting comparison.

Keith

Pierre, Vive la France... et mort aux C...


Nemo l'ancien

In article ,
on Fri, 19 Mar 2004 17:53:19 +0100,
Pierre-Henri Baras attempted to say .....


"Alan Minyard" a écrit dans le message de news:
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France betrayed all those that thought her a friend. WMDs may have
been an intelligence failure, but the Total/Elf deals were criminal
behavior.

What about the juicy contracts US oil companys were about to sign with the
Taliban, during the summer before 9/11 ??? You know, the pipelines through
Afghanistan.....


Oil pipelings through Afganistan ?

What's your source for that ?



2 wrongs don't make 1 right, but just stop giving out moral lessons, OK?

Your country is a shameless whore.

Hey; you need one to know one!

That's why we have France....

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When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

What about the juicy contracts US oil companys were about to sign with
the
Taliban, during the summer before 9/11 ??? You know, the pipelines
through
Afghanistan.....


Oil pipelings through Afganistan ?

What's your source for that ?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1984459.stm

http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&ie...hanistan+&meta

Alan Minyard wrote:

On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 09:34:34 +0100, "Alex A" wrote:

Kevin Brooks wrote:
"Nemo l'ancien" wrote in message
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And the US does not have a very strange relation with oil producer
like SA?
Even when people of that country funded terrorism...

No, we don't have a relationship anything like that which France
apparently had with Saddam, as is becoming more clear with every
release of information regarding these "sweetheart deals" between
your companies and Saddam.

same source as WMD ?

Rgds
Alex

France betrayed all those that thought her a friend. WMDs may have
been an intelligence failure, but the Total/Elf deals were criminal
behavior. Your country is a shameless whore.

Al Minyard

And you are a shameful, poisonous Jew.

Grantland

"Alan Minyard" a écrit dans le message de
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On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 09:34:34 +0100, "Alex A"
wrote:


France betrayed all those that thought her a friend. WMDs may have
been an intelligence failure, but the Total/Elf deals were criminal
behavior. Your country is a shameless whore.

Al Minyard


What disturbs you so much? That the US were the only "major" country without
any contract (unlike Italy, Russia, the UK, China, the
Netherlands, ...) or that France was about to sign the biggest one?...

You want to talk about moral? What about the fact that on the eve of last
year's war, the US were still the biggets purchaser of the Iraki oil? What
about Libya, where so many US businessmen gather nowadays, eager to exploit
the oil and gas reserves of this country that was once (not so long ago!) on
the "axis of evil" list? What about the dozens of US (and other countries)
citizens this regime has killed?... What about the business conducted in
several Central Asia countries, far from being democracies?

You want another "oil scandal" involving Total ? Here's one : Total
exploits an oil field in Myanmar (Burma). We all know that this country's
regime is not a
model of democracy but I don't hear any American complaining about it.
Could it be because Total is associated 50/50 with a US company?...

Someone famous once said : "Let those who have never sinned throw the first
stones". I'm sorry but you don't qualify...

Arva

On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 19:49:09 +0100, "ArVa" wrote:

"Alan Minyard" a écrit dans le message de
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On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 09:34:34 +0100, "Alex A"
wrote:


France betrayed all those that thought her a friend. WMDs may have
been an intelligence failure, but the Total/Elf deals were criminal
behavior. Your country is a shameless whore.

Al Minyard


What disturbs you so much? That the US were the only "major" country without
any contract (unlike Italy, Russia, the UK, China, the
Netherlands, ...) or that France was about to sign the biggest one?...

We were purchasing oil under the auspices of the UN "food for oil" plan,
not secretely undermining the plan with illegal and immoral deals.

You want to talk about moral? What about the fact that on the eve of last
year's war, the US were still the biggets purchaser of the Iraki oil?

See above

What
about Libya, where so many US businessmen gather nowadays, eager to exploit
the oil and gas reserves of this country that was once (not so long ago!) on
the "axis of evil" list? What about the dozens of US (and other countries)
citizens this regime has killed?...

That regime has allowed inspectors complete access to its nuclear program
and that program has been removed.

What about the business conducted in
several Central Asia countries, far from being democracies?

And France wants to sell AWACS tech to the Chinese?

You want another "oil scandal" involving Total ? Here's one : Total
exploits an oil field in Myanmar (Burma). We all know that this country's
regime is not a
model of democracy but I don't hear any American complaining about it.
Could it be because Total is associated 50/50 with a US company?...


Someone famous once said : "Let those who have never sinned throw the first
stones". I'm sorry but you don't qualify...

Arva

Well, since the disgusting, immoral, despicable government of france has chosen
to be the world's whore, I suppose that you would be an expert on sin.

Al Minyard