GW Bu$h's Torture Chambers and Rape rooms ...!

(Fred the Red Shirt) wrote in message . com...
talk.politics.guns removed from distribution as this thread should
never have been crossposted there in the first place.

"Yardpilot" wrote in message news:yEIkc.6651$Ik.592666@attbi_s53...
"Morton Davis" wrote in message
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Where are the videos of Americans cheering in the streets over what
happened, like the supporters ofd the "insurgents" when they hung the burned
bodies of our dead from bridges? There are none because we are not cheering.

If something like this happens, we crack down on the perpetrators. Few if any
people celebrate such things. It seems we worry more about people in other
countries than we do our own when it comes to abuse of authority.

Feel free to prove your assertion.

Here's proof of how the Bush Administration cracked down BEFOR photos
were published:

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...p?story=518258

In Washington, an army official revealed that one US soldier
was convicted of murder for shooting a prisoner to death in
September 2003 at a detention centre in Iraq, and that another
prisoner was killed at the Abu Ghraib jail near Baghdad
two months later by a private contractor working for the CIA.

The soldier - convicted by court martial - was thrown out
of the service but did not serve time in jail. The official
said that the soldier shot the prisoner after he had thrown
stones at him. The serviceman was found to have used excessive
force. No action was taken against the CIA contractor because
the military had no legal jurisdiction.

OTOH, Reuters reported that the soldier was convicted of murder for
killing the prisoner with a stone. It seems we need the text of the
actua DOD news release.

Would you care to post it for us?

Is there a DOD news release? I don't believe everything that is
written in a newspaper to be "proof" of anything. A court martial
convicted someone of MURDER without serving time? I'd like to see
what Reuters is calling a murder conviction. Using excessive force
under certain circumstances would be unlawful, but that would not
always equate to "murder" in the legal sense. This guy may have been
convicted for a crime that caused a death, i.e. manslaulter,
negligence, etc. But I'd bet it was inaccurate to express or imply a
conviction for the crime of "murder" resulted in a discharge only.

"Morton Davis" wrote:


Where are the videos of Americans cheering in the streets over what
happened, like the supporters ofd the "insurgents" when they hung the burned
bodies of our dead from bridges? There are none because we are not cheering.

-*MORT*-

Damned true...that just shows how we think...I'm God Damned sure
glad that I happened to be born into this way of thinking than
into theirs.
--

-Gord.

"Morton Davis" wrote in
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Where are the videos of Americans cheering in the streets over what
happened, like the supporters ofd the "insurgents" when they hung the
burned bodies of our dead from bridges?

The closest we can come to that are the appeaceniks who cheer
when the terrorists kill American soldiers and called Tillman
a babykiller.

--
"It's obvious to me that this country is rapidly dividing itself into
two camps - the wimps and the warriors. The ones who want to argue
and assess and appease, and the ones who want to carry this fight to
our enemies and kill them before they kill us."
--The Hon. Zell Miller

On Sat, 01 May 2004 00:14:56 GMT, "Yardpilot"
wrote:

Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can get away
with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone or
support such actions, and punishes the people involved.

Correction needed.... America has been routinely transferring
suspects to other countries to be tortured. A Canadian Muslim
recently went through this.

"Pooched" wrote in message
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On Sat, 01 May 2004 00:14:56 GMT, "Yardpilot"
wrote:

Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can get
away
with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone or
support such actions, and punishes the people involved.

Correction needed.... America has been routinely transferring
suspects to other countries to be tortured. A Canadian Muslim
recently went through this.

I somehow missed your reference, link, or citation on this. Would you mind
posting it again? You DID post one, didn't you?

"Yardpilot" wrote:


"Pooched" wrote in message
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On Sat, 01 May 2004 00:14:56 GMT, "Yardpilot"
wrote:

Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can get
away
with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone or
support such actions, and punishes the people involved.

Correction needed.... America has been routinely transferring
suspects to other countries to be tortured. A Canadian Muslim
recently went through this.

I somehow missed your reference, link, or citation on this. Would you mind
posting it again? You DID post one, didn't you?

Can't take his word for it?...I assure you that it did
happen...he's now in the process of suing all and sundry over it.

I could probably google it for you if you ask real nice.
--

-Gord.

On Sat, 01 May 2004 07:47:43 GMT, "Yardpilot"
wrote:


"Pooched" wrote in message
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On Sat, 01 May 2004 00:14:56 GMT, "Yardpilot"
wrote:

Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can get
away
with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone or
support such actions, and punishes the people involved.

Correction needed.... America has been routinely transferring
suspects to other countries to be tortured. A Canadian Muslim
recently went through this.

I somehow missed your reference, link, or citation on this. Would you mind
posting it again? You DID post one, didn't you?


I figured ppl would already know. Here's some links:

http://www.altmuslim.com/politics_co...=1111_0_10_0_C
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/arar/
http://911review.org/Wiki/Arar,Maher.shtml

Interestingly I can't find anything from Amerikan sources.

"Pooched" wrote in message
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Interestingly I can't find anything from Amerikan sources.

Obviously that's because you're spelling it wrong when you look it up,
Fritz.

Regards, PLMerite

--
"If you rub it in both at home and abroad that you are ready for instant
war... and intend to be first in and hit your enemy in the belly and kick
him when he is down and boil your prisoners in oil (if you take any)... and
torture his women and children, then people will keep clear of you."
Vice Admiral Sir John Fisher, Royal Navy, 1898.

"Pooched" wrote in message
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On Sat, 01 May 2004 07:47:43 GMT, "Yardpilot"
wrote:


"Pooched" wrote in message
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On Sat, 01 May 2004 00:14:56 GMT, "Yardpilot"
wrote:

Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can
get
away
with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone
or
support such actions, and punishes the people involved.

Correction needed.... America has been routinely transferring
suspects to other countries to be tortured. A Canadian Muslim
recently went through this.

I somehow missed your reference, link, or citation on this. Would you mind
posting it again? You DID post one, didn't you?


I figured ppl would already know. Here's some links:

http://www.altmuslim.com/politics_co...=1111_0_10_0_C

Doesn't support your claim.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/arar/

Doesn't support your claim. In fact, it makes Canada look rathe bad.

http://911review.org/Wiki/Arar,Maher.shtml

Doesn't support your claim.


Interestingly I can't find anything from Amerikan sources.

Then you haven't actually looked.

"Yardpilot" wrote in message news:zCIkc.6606$kh4.445558@attbi_s52...
"Pooched" wrote in message
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On Sat, 01 May 2004 00:14:56 GMT, "Yardpilot"
wrote:

Yes indeed. There are always going to be some people who think they can get
away
with such nonsense. Unlike many other countries, the US does not condone or
support such actions, and punishes the people involved.

Correction needed.... America has been routinely transferring
suspects to other countries to be tortured. A Canadian Muslim
recently went through this.

I somehow missed your reference, link, or citation on this. Would you mind
posting it again? You DID post one, didn't you?

Jesus Christ! Do you ever read a newspaper?

--

FF