Predator w/ Sniper Rifle

"tscottme" wrote in message
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Steve Hix wrote in message
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Hardly. Quite a few locals are fed up with the jihadis, particularly
al
Sadr's mob.

Yes you can tell the jihadis are losing popular support by the
ever-so-displeased glance the locals try from time to time./sarcasm

Give the locals a clear option, kill the jihadis or be killed while we
kill them. The locals can't be allowed to remain neutral. Hell it
might do the Arabs good to actually participate in their freedom, it's
done wonders for many others.

There have been reports of vigilantes hanging a few of al-Sadr's
men. They leave nice notes explaining why too.

In article ,
"tscottme" wrote:

Steve Hix wrote in message
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Hardly. Quite a few locals are fed up with the jihadis, particularly
al Sadr's mob.

Yes you can tell the jihadis are losing popular support by the
ever-so-displeased glance the locals try from time to time./sarcasm

Some of them are starting to form up groups to take out al Sadr
supporters at night. Look around for references to Thulfiqar.

U.S.-trained SF troops are starting to operate with U.S. troops around
Najaf, too.

Give the locals a clear option, kill the jihadis or be killed while we
kill them. The locals can't be allowed to remain neutral. Hell it
might do the Arabs good to actually participate in their freedom, it's
done wonders for many others.

No civilians ever sat by in either Europe or Asia during WW2, did they?

From: Steve Hix NVALID


Jim Yanik wrote:
If the crowd of jihadis is milling around and carrying prohibited weapons
like RPGs,why not just drop a 250 lb. blast-frag bomb on the crowd? Everyone
there is supporting the jihadis.

Hardly. Quite a few locals are fed up with the jihadis, particularly al Sadr's
mob.

I think he meant "everyone (in the direct vicinity of the weapon carrying
jihadis) there is supporting the jihadis".

And while that is probably true, reports from the Fallujah siege indicate that
the gun toting trouble makers tend to hide behind women and children. The
Marine snipers reportedly were extremely valuable in that fight, due to their
precision in avoiding civilian casualties. In such circumstances, a 250 lb.
might be a PR disaster.

Consequently, I was wondering about the possibility of a Predator as sort of a
sniper platform. It was just a thought, but I am starting to think the required
level of precision hitting the target would probably be unattainable.......at
least with a .50 BMG round.

Now a tungsten flechette fired from a sabot gun....that might just do the
trick.
Dave

On 16 May 2004 02:29:41 GMT, (Dav1936531) wrote:

Consequently, I was wondering about the possibility of a Predator as sort of a
sniper platform. It was just a thought, but I am starting to think the required
level of precision hitting the target would probably be unattainable.......at
least with a .50 BMG round.

Now a tungsten flechette fired from a sabot gun....that might just do the
trick.

How about a medium powered sniper IR laser?
(I'm not talking starwars here) - but enough to blind/maim the
intended target(s) - no need to worry about windage, just point &
click. It'd keep collateral casualties to a minumum too...

Cheers,
N

On Sun, 16 May 2004 23:10:55 +1000, Nina
wrote:

On 16 May 2004 02:29:41 GMT, (Dav1936531) wrote:

Consequently, I was wondering about the possibility of a Predator as sort of a
sniper platform. It was just a thought, but I am starting to think the required
level of precision hitting the target would probably be unattainable.......at
least with a .50 BMG round.

Now a tungsten flechette fired from a sabot gun....that might just do the
trick.

How about a medium powered sniper IR laser?
(I'm not talking starwars here) - but enough to blind/maim the
intended target(s) - no need to worry about windage, just point &
click. It'd keep collateral casualties to a minumum too...

First off blinding weapons are highly illegal, as are weapons intended
to maim (though it's ok to kill someone - go figure), and secondly,
powerful lasers are probably not viable on a small platform like a UAV
for a while, simply for power source and size reasons.

I do like the visual though - some nutter in a market place waves an
RPG around chanting "death to the infidels" and a few seconds later
drops dead with flash burns and a smell of cooking bacon.

Peter Kemp

"Nina" wrote in message
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On 16 May 2004 02:29:41 GMT, (Dav1936531) wrote:

Consequently, I was wondering about the possibility of a Predator as sort
of a
sniper platform. It was just a thought, but I am starting to think the
required
level of precision hitting the target would probably be
unattainable.......at
least with a .50 BMG round.

Now a tungsten flechette fired from a sabot gun....that might just do the
trick.

How about a medium powered sniper IR laser?
(I'm not talking starwars here) - but enough to blind/maim the
intended target(s) - no need to worry about windage, just point &
click. It'd keep collateral casualties to a minumum too...

Blinding weapons are considered to be banned by the rules of war.

Dave:

Saboted flechettes would be much, much less accurate and precise than a
..50 BMG round. CEPs in sniper variants of 10" out to 1000 meters do-able
(but certainly not from a UAV!) for the .50; notch that up at least one
order of magnitude (yes, 100") for a saboted flechette.

Steve Swartz


"Dav1936531" wrote in message
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From: Steve Hix NVALID


Jim Yanik wrote:
If the crowd of jihadis is milling around and carrying prohibited
weapons
like RPGs,why not just drop a 250 lb. blast-frag bomb on the crowd?
Everyone
there is supporting the jihadis.

Hardly. Quite a few locals are fed up with the jihadis, particularly al
Sadr's
mob.

I think he meant "everyone (in the direct vicinity of the weapon carrying
jihadis) there is supporting the jihadis".

And while that is probably true, reports from the Fallujah siege indicate
that
the gun toting trouble makers tend to hide behind women and children. The
Marine snipers reportedly were extremely valuable in that fight, due to
their
precision in avoiding civilian casualties. In such circumstances, a 250
lb.
might be a PR disaster.

Consequently, I was wondering about the possibility of a Predator as sort
of a
sniper platform. It was just a thought, but I am starting to think the
required
level of precision hitting the target would probably be
unattainable.......at
least with a .50 BMG round.

Now a tungsten flechette fired from a sabot gun....that might just do the
trick.
Dave

On 16 May 2004 02:29:41 GMT, Dav1936531 wrote:

Consequently, I was wondering about the possibility of a Predator as sort of a
sniper platform. It was just a thought, but I am starting to think the required
level of precision hitting the target would probably be unattainable.......at
least with a .50 BMG round.

Now a tungsten flechette fired from a sabot gun....that might just do the
trick.

While a high-velocity sabot gun would have a longer range, it
wouldn't solve the problem of pointing it in the right direction.
(And the longer the range, the more accurate the pointing has to
be).

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Steve Hix wrote in
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In article ,
Jim Yanik wrote:

If the crowd of jihadis is milling around and carrying prohibited
weapons like RPGs,why not just drop a 250 lb. blast-frag bomb on the
crowd? Everyone there is supporting the jihadis.

Hardly. Quite a few locals are fed up with the jihadis, particularly
al Sadr's mob.


Then they should be turning them in to the authorities,or fleeing the area.

I doubt that in one of those rallies,that ANTI-jihadis are mixed in the
crowd.Heck,you can see them all waving their arms,and waving
flags,banners,etc.That's not anti-jihadi behavior.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

On Sun, 16 May 2004 16:54:32 +0000 (UTC), Jim Yanik
wrote:

Steve Hix wrote in
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In article ,
Jim Yanik wrote:

If the crowd of jihadis is milling around and carrying prohibited
weapons like RPGs,why not just drop a 250 lb. blast-frag bomb on the
crowd? Everyone there is supporting the jihadis.

Hardly. Quite a few locals are fed up with the jihadis, particularly
al Sadr's mob.


Then they should be turning them in to the authorities,or fleeing the area.

I doubt that in one of those rallies,that ANTI-jihadis are mixed in the
crowd.Heck,you can see them all waving their arms,and waving
flags,banners,etc.That's not anti-jihadi behavior.

Look at it logically - you're on the way to the shops to buy a hun of
cheese, take a wrong turn, and find yourself caught in the middle of a
mob who you don't support - do you

a. Chant and shout along until you can get the hell away (my personal
choice)

b. Jeer and taunt them, and end up dead in under a minute with a 9mm
headache

c. Go and report them to the authorities - who happen to be the
Americans who have been killing a lot of innocent Iraqis along with
the guilty, and who are being watched by those same nutters yuo're
against - oops 9mm headache again

Tough choice huh?

Peter Kemp