Please send me logs, stories of flying in thermal wave over the plains

On Wednesday, 11 November 2015 15:18:02 UTC+2, danlj wrote:
I am researching shear wave and thermal wave.

For example, the WI glider altitude record was set by Ted Clausing in thermal wave.

For example, on 4/24/98, bases were 7000 msl, thermal wave took gliders to 16-20,000 msl over lower Michigan, and stacked lenticulars were seen.

If you understand how to predict where shear and thermal wave will occur, I'd be delighted to hear about that!

In any case, if you'll send me dates/locations of thermal-wave flights, and altitudes achieved, and a bit of story about the conditions, this would be wonderful. Attaching a log file would be a bonus.

Send to: dleroyj AT gmail.com

Thanks!

DrDan

Thermal waves are pretty well researched subject in meteorology. I did a short paper of thermal waves ages ago and still have a box full of printed articles. Well known glider pilot-meteorologists such as Joachim Kuettner and Tom Bradbury are good starting point for search. They observed thermal waves in 60's and 70's. There was at least one big measurement campaign in US during 80's or 90's. They flew fully instrumented plane several times over convective boundary layer and reported widespread wave occurrence. Model studies followed.

At 09:17 12 November 2015, krasw wrote:
On Wednesday, 11 November 2015 15:18:02 UTC+2, danlj wrote:
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We have a bit of an advantage in the UK in that cloud flying is permitted
and that makes it a lot easier to get into thermal wave. I've done quite a
lot of it over the last 45 years. I've also discussed it with both Joachim
and Tom. My experience is that very weak (reduced sink usually) wave,
close the the up-wind side of the cumulus top, is there more often than
not. It might even be more accurate to call this "cumulus ridge lift".
Classic streets with upper wind, immediately above the inversion, at a
significant angle to this (doesn't have to be 90 degrees, 60 or so will
do), producing good usable wave (best I've ever seen was about 8 knots), is
quite rare in the UK but I've experienced a fair number over the years.

On Thursday, 12 November 2015 15:15:07 UTC+2, Chris Rollings wrote:
We have a bit of an advantage in the UK in that cloud flying is permitted
and that makes it a lot easier to get into thermal wave. I've done quite a
lot of it over the last 45 years. I've also discussed it with both Joachim
and Tom. My experience is that very weak (reduced sink usually) wave,
close the the up-wind side of the cumulus top, is there more often than
not. It might even be more accurate to call this "cumulus ridge lift".
Classic streets with upper wind, immediately above the inversion, at a
significant angle to this (doesn't have to be 90 degrees, 60 or so will
do), producing good usable wave (best I've ever seen was about 8 knots), is
quite rare in the UK but I've experienced a fair number over the years.

I've done it also, both before starting cloud flying and after. It is quite rare and lift is usually extremely weak. I remember some notable cases with approaching front and strong wind shear.

I wouldn't call it ridge lift BTW, at least if term means same as anabatic slope wind. They are purely thermally forced, which is completely different phenomenom.