China to acquire Backfires?

Michael Wise wrote:

In article ,
Pooh Bear wrote:

The Cold War is over - or did someone forget to mention it to you ?

Somebody needs to tell that to the USN VQ-1 EP-3 crew who were held
prisoner by the Chinese military several days before being allowed to
even speak with the outside world.

Compare that to Gary Powers' treatment if you want to make a Cold War comparison.

If the USA chooses to spy on the PRC, I'm unsurprised that the PRC wishes to try
and deter such action. I would be interested to see the reaction of the USA to
Chinese spy planes off its shores !


Graham

In article ,
Pooh Bear wrote:

If the USA chooses to spy on the PRC, I'm unsurprised that the PRC wishes to
try and deter such action.

Ramming aircraft in international airspace seems, well, clumsy of them.

I would be interested to see the reaction of the USA
to Chinese spy planes off its shores !

They use "fishing" boats, instead.

Steve Hix wrote:

In article ,
Pooh Bear wrote:

If the USA chooses to spy on the PRC, I'm unsurprised that the PRC wishes to
try and deter such action.

Ramming aircraft in international airspace seems, well, clumsy of them.

From what I heard it wasn't actually 'ramming'. Foolish airborne jousting perhaps
?


I would be interested to see the reaction of the USA
to Chinese spy planes off its shores !

They use "fishing" boats, instead.

In international waters no doubt ?

Somewhat less effective though.

Don't ever forget that what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander too.


Graham

In article ,
Pooh Bear wrote:

The Cold War is over - or did someone forget to mention it to you ?

Somebody needs to tell that to the USN VQ-1 EP-3 crew who were held
prisoner by the Chinese military several days before being allowed to
even speak with the outside world.

Compare that to Gary Powers' treatment if you want to make a Cold War
comparison.

If the USA chooses to spy on the PRC, I'm unsurprised that the PRC wishes to
try
and deter such action. I would be interested to see the reaction of the USA
to
Chinese spy planes off its shores !

The number of Chinese apologists spouting this BS sickening.

Chinese ELINT aircraft have plaid spook on the Koreans and Japanese for
years. They are intercepted by those countries' assets as well as those
of our USAF and USN.

Would Japan be justified to recklessly intercept their PRC spy planes in
international airspace and then take the crew prisoner when they are
forced to land as a consequence of an incompetently flown intercept?



--Mike

Michael Wise wrote:

In article ,
Pooh Bear wrote:

The Cold War is over - or did someone forget to mention it to you ?

Somebody needs to tell that to the USN VQ-1 EP-3 crew who were held
prisoner by the Chinese military several days before being allowed to
even speak with the outside world.

Compare that to Gary Powers' treatment if you want to make a Cold War
comparison.

If the USA chooses to spy on the PRC, I'm unsurprised that the PRC wishes to
try
and deter such action. I would be interested to see the reaction of the USA
to
Chinese spy planes off its shores !

The number of Chinese apologists spouting this BS sickening.

I'm sorry that you are sickened by impartial comment.


Chinese ELINT aircraft have plaid spook on the Koreans and Japanese for
years. They are intercepted by those countries' assets as well as those
of our USAF and USN.

Sure, I don't doubt it.

Would Japan be justified to recklessly intercept their PRC spy planes in
international airspace and then take the crew prisoner when they are
forced to land as a consequence of an incompetently flown intercept?

If such a thing happened I'm sure that they crew would be 'invited' to explain
what happened. I doubt that this would happen in public. You can choose whether
that constitutes holding someone prisoner. Unless the crew were carrying passports
( as per civilian flights ) , I'm sure that there would be at the very minimum
immigration procedures to deal with.

Graham

On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:10:27 GMT, Michael Wise wrote:
The Chinese have essentially become capitalists today. Just like the Russians
too. They just don't like to admit it much.

Thieving capitalists who invent nothing and simply copy/counterfeit what
the rest of the world creates.

Didn't people use to say that about Japan?

--
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people who openly support the RIAA" -- comment on Wikipedia
(Email: zen19725 at zen dot co dot uk)

In article ,
(phil hunt) wrote:

The Chinese have essentially become capitalists today. Just like the
Russians
too. They just don't like to admit it much.

Thieving capitalists who invent nothing and simply copy/counterfeit what
the rest of the world creates.

Didn't people use to say that about Japan?


I don't know. If they did, I wasn't one of them.


Japan does not have a history of openly tolerated theft of intellectual
property (media, software, etc.), and I think most of us would agree
Japan has created (as opposed to copied) a number of innovative or
otherwise excellent products (automotive, cellular, consumer
electronics, etc.)


The same cannot be said for China.



--Mike

Michael Wise wrote:

In article ,
(phil hunt) wrote:

The Chinese have essentially become capitalists today. Just like the
Russians
too. They just don't like to admit it much.

Thieving capitalists who invent nothing and simply copy/counterfeit what
the rest of the world creates.

Didn't people use to say that about Japan?

I don't know. If they did, I wasn't one of them.

Yes, they did, in the '50s and early '60s, at least. their products were
generally laughed at in the U.S. as poorly made rubbish, often cheap plastic
toys and the like. But times change.

Japan does not have a history of openly tolerated theft of intellectual
property (media, software, etc.), and I think most of us would agree
Japan has created (as opposed to copied) a number of innovative or
otherwise excellent products (automotive, cellular, consumer
electronics, etc.)

The same cannot be said for China.

Yet, but then it couldn't be said for Japan either for ca. 30 years after WW2.
They started out at the low end, as did e.g. South Korea and Taiwan, and built
up their industrial infrastructure and design abilities until their products
were able to compete on a world stage. I expect China will follow a similar
arc - as it is, chances are pretty good that any plush toy or piece of clothing
you might buy was made in the PRC.

Guy

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:37:00 GMT, Michael Wise wrote:
In article ,
(phil hunt) wrote:

The Chinese have essentially become capitalists today. Just like the
Russians
too. They just don't like to admit it much.

Thieving capitalists who invent nothing and simply copy/counterfeit what
the rest of the world creates.

Didn't people use to say that about Japan?


I don't know. If they did, I wasn't one of them.


Japan does not have a history of openly tolerated theft of intellectual
property (media, software, etc.), and I think most of us would agree
Japan has created (as opposed to copied) a number of innovative or
otherwise excellent products (automotive, cellular, consumer
electronics, etc.)


The same cannot be said for China.

I guess they didn't invent printing then. Or gunpowder.

--
"It's easier to find people online who openly support the KKK than
people who openly support the RIAA" -- comment on Wikipedia
(Email: zen19725 at zen dot co dot uk)

On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 08:00:50 +0100, Pooh Bear
wrote:

"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." wrote:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ina/tu-22m.htm

Two part question; first, do you think that China will actually succeed in
it's acquisition attempts regarding the Backfire, and if so, how many would
they end up with?

Irrelevant


Second, what does this mean to the the US?

Bugger all !

China needs the USA ( and the rest of the western world ) to trade with. That's
how they are modernising their country via a significant trade surplus.
Otherwise it's back to the paddy fields.

Trade isn't the be all and end all of avoiding war. France was
Germany's biggest trading partner in 1939.

Peter Kemp