Canadian pilot posts ILLEGAL flight into US on OLC

I'm just curious if he had a transponder (powered on) in his glider and if he had been detected crossing the border would have found himself in a thermal with some exciting US military hardware? Ditto question if he was flying out of Mexico!

On Wednesday, July 24, 2019 at 7:52:06 PM UTC-7, Charles Longley wrote:
You need to read up on the laws a little bit. You don’t need to clear customs if you don’t land.

Well, I DID look up the law (reread the post). The FAA clearly states:

All civil, private aircraft entering the U.S. must first land at an airport of entry before continuing to their destinations, unless other arrangements are made with U.S. CBP.

Now, tell me where there is an exception for an aircraft whose final destination is in Canada?

Tom

Good question. Millions of passengers overfly foreign countries every year. They are not treated as entering each country they fly over. Somehow, flying over doesn't count as entering.

On Wednesday, July 24, 2019 at 7:22:27 PM UTC-7, 2G wrote:
This pilot made a DEEP entry into the US w/o, apparently, following the laws of the US:

https://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-3....l?dsId=7436890

Here is what you have to do PRIOR to flying into the US, regardless of whether or not you are a US citizen:

https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publ...ions/airspace/

Here is just one excerpt:

All civil, private aircraft entering the U.S. must first land at an airport of entry before continuing to their destinations, unless other arrangements are made with U.S. CBP.

The penalties for violating these laws is pretty stiff, including confiscation of the offending aircraft. And, if you are going to break US law anyhow, DON'T post your flight on the Internet!

I'm not a member so I can only see the small map. It appears the Arcus entered US airspace just north of Babb MT, and continued approximately 240 km to near Wolf Creek before very closely retracing its path.

On the following FAA web page ...

https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/inte...erflight_fees/

.... I see a charge current Jan 1 2019 for En-route overflight of $61.75 per 100 nautical miles great circle distance from POINT OF ENTRY to POINT OF EXIT from U.S.-controlled airspace.

I estimate the distance from point of entry to point of exit on the 49th parallel to be something on the order of two or three miles. Accordingly the fee that might be due would be in the range of maybe $1.20 to $1.80.

Does the original poster have knowledge or evidence of any communications that might have taken place between the glider and US ATC, or that no such communication took place?

On Wednesday, July 24, 2019 at 10:22:27 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:
This pilot made a DEEP entry into the US w/o, apparently, following the laws of the US:

https://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-3....l?dsId=7436890

Here is what you have to do PRIOR to flying into the US, regardless of whether or not you are a US citizen:

https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publ...ions/airspace/

Here is just one excerpt:

All civil, private aircraft entering the U.S. must first land at an airport of entry before continuing to their destinations, unless other arrangements are made with U.S. CBP.

The penalties for violating these laws is pretty stiff, including confiscation of the offending aircraft. And, if you are going to break US law anyhow, DON'T post your flight on the Internet!

This flight would have never happened in the winter months, all the Canadians would be in Florida.

At 07:10 25 July 2019, Bob Youngblood wrote:
On Wednesday, July 24, 2019 at 10:22:27 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:
This pilot made a DEEP entry into the US w/o, apparently,
following the
laws of the US:


https://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-3....ightinfo.html?
dsId=7436890

Here is what you have to do PRIOR to flying into the US,
regardless of
whether or not you are a US citizen:


https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publ...tions/airspace
/

Here is just one excerpt:

All civil, private aircraft entering the U.S. must first land at an
airport of entry before continuing to their destinations, unless
other
arrangements are made with U.S. CBP.

The penalties for violating these laws is pretty stiff, including
confiscation of the offending aircraft. And, if you are going to break
US
law anyhow, DON'T post your flight on the Internet!

This flight would have never happened in the winter months, all
the
Canadians would be in Florida.

********, that's when the wave of the Rockies is usually the best,
maybe you have seen some of Chester's earlier flights. Nobody
mentioning Kieth Essex's flights across the border into Canada a few
years ago I see. I guess you guys should be afraid -War of 1812.
FFS what a thing to post -did you check the facts first with the pilot
about what happened before posting?

Good morning, everybody! I'm the pilot of that beautiful glider.

A few points

1) I have the transponder on all the time when I'm over 10,000 feet (or in controlled airspace, or America) - which means I'm being data logged by ATC, flightradar24, etc. I fly as if I'm visible all the time.

2) I file a flight plan for any flight that might require clearances. You Americans are lucky (at least in Montana), we have Class B airways all over the place in Canada.

3) I start talking to Salt Lake well before crossing over, keeps the blood pressure down on the air defense types.

4) It is necessary to get pre-clearance to land in the USA. I have done so but the conditions prevented the trip). US customs tells me they don't want me to do so on every overflight. They would prefer to see emergencies treated as such.

Many Canadian glider pilots are also very confused by how to legally overfly the USA. Pretty simple - file flight plan, use transponder and get unique squawk code, talk to ATC, don't land out.

On Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 9:28:25 AM UTC-6, wrote:
Good morning, everybody! I'm the pilot of that beautiful glider.

A few points

1) I have the transponder on all the time when I'm over 10,000 feet (or in controlled airspace, or America) - which means I'm being data logged by ATC, flightradar24, etc. I fly as if I'm visible all the time.

2) I file a flight plan for any flight that might require clearances. You Americans are lucky (at least in Montana), we have Class B airways all over the place in Canada.

3) I start talking to Salt Lake well before crossing over, keeps the blood pressure down on the air defense types.

4) It is necessary to get pre-clearance to land in the USA. I have done so but the conditions prevented the trip). US customs tells me they don't want me to do so on every overflight. They would prefer to see emergencies treated as such.

Many Canadian glider pilots are also very confused by how to legally overfly the USA. Pretty simple - file flight plan, use transponder and get unique squawk code, talk to ATC, don't land out.

AWESOME FLIGHT!!!

Good clarification!!!

On 7/24/2019 8:22 PM, 2G wrote:
This pilot made a DEEP entry into the US w/o, apparently, following the
laws of the US:

https://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-3....l?dsId=7436890

Remainder of thread-originating post snipped...

Judging from the later-in-thread post from the pilot of this flight, the
"Subject"-line and assertion above are (apparently) seriously incorrect. Kinda
makes *me* wonder why someone would choose to post this sort of (easily taken
to be) "in your face" assertion, under its OVERT thread-header (instead of -
say - a more-reasonably-phrased question beneath a more neutrally-colored
"Subject"-line). Different strokes, I guess...

Great flight, IMO!

Bob W.

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