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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
"vaughn" wrote in
: Tech Support wrote in message ... Here is my post. I only reported what media was saying and if TRUE was a bad decission. quote Witness also said gear was down (per media). If true (I said) , was bad decision. unquote Later reports were more accurate and said gear up and streaming video of bird before touch down let ME see that gear was up. Does this satify you or can you not understand standard english relating to flight?. I think that I understand standard English as it relates to flight pretty well, but I still find your original "bad decision" comment surprising. Even if the gear had happened to be down for that ditching, I would not be the one to stick my neck out and call it a "bad decision" until I had heard the REASON for the gear being down. For several reasons, there may have not been a decision to be made nor time to make it in. The pilots' first job is the fly the plane, then communicate, and only then deal with internal cockpit details. According to one AP report I read (whatever THAT is worth) the pilots had at least three pages of checklists for engine out and then ditching (probably more). According to that same article, the pilots did not operate the "ditch switch" so we can guess that the pilots simply did not have time to work their way to the end of their checklists before impact. Actually communication, for the most part, would come after the checklists. All that would be required is a simple declaration of emergency, unless th ecrew required something of ATC, like a vecotr, or equipment. Bertie |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in
: Tech Support wrote in message ... On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:42:40 -0600, "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote: "RST Engineering" wrote in message news They established that two days ago. Jim -- "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." --Aristotle Well don't tell me, tell Big John. He's the one that supposed it was down. Dear VI Here is my post. I only reported what media was saying and if TRUE was a bad decission. quote Witness also said gear was down (per media). If true (I said) , was bad decision. unquote Later reports were more accurate and said gear up and streaming video of bird before touch down let ME see that gear was up. Does this satify you or can you not understand standard english relating to flight?. Big John ************************************************** ******************** *** Dear Prick Are you having a comprehension problem? I didn't take issue with your first post Dear fjucktard.. Actually that's all i wanted to say. Bertie |
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Maxine crashes his head
"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message .. . Apparently you are maxie. don' tknow how to work your attribs yet? Bertie Who needs to bother with attribs, dumb ass. Sez it all, wannabe boi He posted a message from George, and signed it Ricky. Is that a little too complex for your hangover? Should I say it again, and a little slower? If it amuses you as much as it would me. Bertie |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
Dear VIi
I refuse to communicate with anyone who doesn't know their A**hole from a hole in the ground. Good by and may the rag heads take you down. BJ ********************** On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:08:29 -0600, "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote: Tech Support wrote in message .. . On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:42:40 -0600, "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote: "RST Engineering" wrote in message news They established that two days ago. Jim -- "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." --Aristotle Well don't tell me, tell Big John. He's the one that supposed it was down. Dear VI Here is my post. I only reported what media was saying and if TRUE was a bad decission. quote Witness also said gear was down (per media). If true (I said) , was bad decision. unquote Later reports were more accurate and said gear up and streaming video of bird before touch down let ME see that gear was up. Does this satify you or can you not understand standard english relating to flight?. Big John ************************************************** *********************** Dear Prick Are you having a comprehension problem? I didn't take issue with your first post. |
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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
ah wrote in anews.com: Bertie the Bunyip wrote: ah wrote in news:49728b5c$0$57670 : Bertie the Bunyip wrote: "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in news:%Focl.29929$H12.18354 @newsfe12.iad: "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... John wrote in news:32b8ee0b-1587-4404-a9f3-e33d06d50c51 @u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com: On Jan 15, 3:12 pm, Mxsmanic wrote: Kingfish writes: Holy smokes! CNN is reporting an airliner went down in the Hudson after departing LaGuardia. I heard something about birdstrikes, but can't imagine a double engine failure due to that(?) They sure picked a cold day to go swimming... Hope everybody is ok... Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. Jet engines don't often fail all on their own. Well, according to http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...y_channel.jsp? channel=busav& id=news/eng08036.xml By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor stalls/surges account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's turbofans. This is a change from earlier generation turbine designs in which uncontained failures were the principal malfunction. Since stall/ surge is the primary engine malfunction, one would assume that it would be a regular item during initial, recurrent or simulator training. And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing the matter or being exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator session. I have, but only a couple of times and just to run through the drill.Most checklists just have you retarding the throttle and/or shutting down anyhow. Most times nowadays with high bypass fans it trashes the engine straight away, unlike the old JT8s and such which would fart away happily enough until you pulled the thrust lever back. Bertie Sounds like you, retarded and farting away. Awww, maxie make a witty! ROLF! Tie me kangaroo down, sport. What-ho, Squiffy? uh wwuh uh wwuh uh whiggga whigga whuh.. Cabbages on the ceiling, Ser! -- ah |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
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a wrote: Once, at general aviation speeds, we saw a flock of what seemed to be canada geese at constant bearing out our windscreen. Sailers say "Constant bearing means collision". We saw them with enough seconds in hand to reduce our rate of climb and got under them. Going under birds isn't advised, since when spooked, they often will dive for the ground. Much safer to go over them, since their rate of climb isn't that fast. John -- John Clear - http://www.clear-prop.org/ |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
On Jan 18, 3:37*pm, "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote:
I'm not Mx, and you can't seem to decide if you are George or Ricky. Are you having an identity crisis? Take the "a" out of Maxwell & you get MX. George (aka; Ricky) |
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Turboprops
Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile
: "Viperdoc" wrote in : I flew into somewhere in SD in a Mesaba Saab 340. The flight before had a bird strike on the windshield (goose), that broke off the windshield wiper. The wiper blade then hit the prop, which flung the broken blade through the side of the fuselage, impaling itself in the thigh of one of the pax. He had to go to the operating room for some sort of surgery, but I do not think it broke his femur. Talk about bad luck. They flew in a new prop the next day, and there was some speed tape on the side of the fuselage. yipes. An airplane I uswed to fly had a wiper come loose and go right through the engine, trashing it, but that is bad luck. BTW, thehole in the fuse had to have had more than speed tape over it unless thye were ferrying it unpressurised! I've always wondered if the pax got to ride free on NWA for the rest of his life. Hehe He'd have been lucky to get a taxi ride to the hospital for free! They'd prolly refuse to give him anything to avoid being seen as shoudergin any blame whatsoever, I'd a thought. Bertie These two compelling stories are perfect examples of Why I Dont Fly. nods -- http://www.bds-palestine.net/?q=node/9 ___ ___ ___ ___ /\__\ /\ \ /\ \ /\ \ /:/ _/_ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ /:/ /\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ /:/ /::\ \ _____\:\ \ ___ \:\ \ ___ /::\ \ /:/_/:/\:\__\ /::::::::\__\ /\ \ \:\__\ /\ /:/\:\__\ \:\/:/ /:/ / \:\~~\~~\/__/ \:\ \ /:/ / \:\/:/ \/__/ \::/ /:/ / \:\ \ \:\ /:/ / \::/__/ \/_/:/ / \:\ \ \:\/:/ / \:\ \ /:/ / \:\__\ \::/ / \:\__\ |
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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile
: "Scott M. Kozel" wrote in news:gkvte8$eth$1 : §ñühw¤£f wrote: I propose a technological solution to the problem of bird strikes: turboprops. Lets return to the good old days pre-jet engines. Well ... while the L-188 Lockheed Electra example is a turboprop, the above poster apparently didn't realize that a turboprop engine has a jet engine. Discuss. The large piston engines were incredibly complex, and generally could drive airliners at only about half the speed of those with the pure jet engines. yes, but they were so much more fun Bertie Ok ok...totally *genius* idea: dirigibles. Yeah, think on that for a while. Its either that or the locomotive, chaps. -- http://www.bds-palestine.net/?q=node/9 ___ ___ ___ ___ /\__\ /\ \ /\ \ /\ \ /:/ _/_ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ /:/ /\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ /:/ /::\ \ _____\:\ \ ___ \:\ \ ___ /::\ \ /:/_/:/\:\__\ /::::::::\__\ /\ \ \:\__\ /\ /:/\:\__\ \:\/:/ /:/ / \:\~~\~~\/__/ \:\ \ /:/ / \:\/:/ \/__/ \::/ /:/ / \:\ \ \:\ /:/ / \::/__/ \/_/:/ / \:\ \ \:\/:/ / \:\ \ /:/ / \:\__\ \::/ / \:\__\ |
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