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Scared of mid-airs
"Frode Berg" wrote Also, by laying it over the back seat, the bass is not resting in a good position. It's got too much weight on the headstock, but if I can figure out an easy way to fold down the seatback, like an estate car for example, the Cherokee will be a perfect cargo hauler for me! :-) You could get a big block of stiff Styrofoam, and carve out the shape of your bass, and angle it needs on one side, and the floor on the other side. It would be the very best way, since it would totally spread out the pressures on it from any "air bumps," or hard landings. I know you don't do any of them, though. g -- Jim in NC |
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Removing the rear seats (was Scared of mid-airs
It doesn't say anything in my POH, so I guess it wasn't considered...
Does this mean I need an STC for it? Frode "Larry Dighera" skrev i melding ... On Thu, 11 May 2006 12:52:22 -0500, Journeyman wrote in :: Turns out, it's fairly easy to remove the rear seats from an Arrow. What does the Arrow POH say about operating with the rear seats removed? Is it approved? Does removing the rear seats require the use of a different weight and balance chart for calculations? Does it change the category from/to utility/normal? How is performance affected? |
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Removing the rear seats (was Scared of mid-airs
"Larry Dighera" skrev i melding .. . On Thu, 11 May 2006 12:52:22 -0500, Journeyman wrote in :: Turns out, it's fairly easy to remove the rear seats from an Arrow. What does the Arrow POH say about operating with the rear seats removed? Is it approved? Does removing the rear seats require the use of a different weight and balance chart for calculations? Does it change the category from/to utility/normal? How is performance affected? On Thu, 11 May 2006 22:37:30 +0200, "Frode Berg" wrote in :: It doesn't say anything in my POH, so I guess it wasn't considered... Does this mean I need an STC for it? Frode I'm guessing, but if operation with the rear seats removed isn't mentioned in the POH, it's not approved. |
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Removing the rear seats (was Scared of mid-airs
You need to make a logbook entry for the preventative
maintenance of removing and re-installing the seats. The weight and balance data needs to be there, if not you need an A&P the first time to make the entry. -- James H. Macklin ATP,CFI,A&P -- The people think the Constitution protects their rights; But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome. some support http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties. "Journeyman" wrote in message . .. | | In article , Frode Berg wrote: | | I've just assumed the bass would not fit in my Arrow until yesterday. | I took it to the hangar, and found out that it fits perfectly though the | door, but I need to be able to fold the back seat to avoid it obstructing | the flap and trim. | | Frode, | | Turns out, it's fairly easy to remove the rear seats from an Arrow. There | are 4 attach points. The rear 2 are spring-loaded and you just pull | forward/up. The front 2 are on a slide and come out easily when the rear | mounts are up. No tools required. | | HTH, | | Morris | (BTW, welcome back. I remember you used to post a lot around here) |
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Removing the rear seats (was Scared of mid-airs
Larry Dighera wrote: I'm guessing, but if operation with the rear seats removed isn't mentioned in the POH, it's not approved. The POH isn't necessarily relavant. My 182 didn't mention a word about it. The more important document is the equipment list. |
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Removing the rear seats (was Scared of mid-airs
In article RAN8g.18382$ZW3.4772@dukeread04, Jim Macklin wrote:
You need to make a logbook entry for the preventative maintenance of removing and re-installing the seats. The weight and balance data needs to be there, if not you need an A&P the first time to make the entry. Good point. It hadn't occurred to me because the only time I've removed the seats was for inspection. Of course, European rules are likely to be different. Morris |
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Removing the rear seats (was Scared of mid-airs
In article , Larry Dighera wrote:
Turns out, it's fairly easy to remove the rear seats from an Arrow. What does the Arrow POH say about operating with the rear seats removed? Is it approved? Does removing the rear seats require the use of a different weight and balance chart for calculations? Does it change the category from/to utility/normal? How is performance affected? Honestly, I don't know. I've never actually flown with the rear seats removed. I've removed them for access during maintenance, but always put them back. Given how easy they are to remove, I assumed it should not be a problem flying without them, modulo the weight/balance change. I've heard of people flying with the rear seats removed, but never specifically in the Arrow. Morris |
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Removing the rear seats (was Scared of mid-airs
On Thu, 11 May 2006 15:47:58 -0600, Newps wrote
in :: Larry Dighera wrote: I'm guessing, but if operation with the rear seats removed isn't mentioned in the POH, it's not approved. The POH isn't necessarily relavant. My 182 didn't mention a word about it. The more important document is the equipment list. Was the revised W&B located in the equipment list also? |
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Removing the rear seats (was Scared of mid-airs
Larry Dighera wrote: On Thu, 11 May 2006 15:47:58 -0600, Newps wrote in :: Larry Dighera wrote: I'm guessing, but if operation with the rear seats removed isn't mentioned in the POH, it's not approved. The POH isn't necessarily relavant. My 182 didn't mention a word about it. The more important document is the equipment list. Was the revised W&B located in the equipment list also? I carried one weight and balance form with three W+B scenarios. All seats in, rear seat removed and rear and copilot seats removed. The equipment list gave weights and stations for the seats. I used the station listed but used actual weight since the seats weighed a little more with the leather interior I had installed. |
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Scared of mid-airs
"Roger" wrote in message ... On Thu, 11 May 2006 00:57:11 GMT, "Dudley Henriques" wrote: It's that "developing" that concerns me and I have to wonder what would have triggered such a response after several hundred hours. Of course there is such a thing as thinking about negative consequences too much and conditioning one's self to reinforce feelings we didn't realize were there. It would be my opinion that it's time to spend some time with a good instructor to find out why and to allay those fears and turn them into thoughtful concern. Done early this sort of thing is far, far easier to handle than later after it's had a chance to become entrenched. This is true. I have had several occasions in my career when I began to have doubts about my ability to survive the airshow demonstration venue. I know it happens to "normal" pilots as well. Usually it's exposure to an element of risk that for some reason you never actually considered as a high risk factor before. It causes you to step back and re-evaluate your exposure to risk. This is a key moment in a pilot's career if it ever happens. Most of the time it doesn't happen and you just continue on flying, but if you are exposed suddenly to something traumatic like witnessing a crash, the effect can be profound in some pilots. This is a point where individual personalities take hold. Most of us who fly, especially those of us who have flown professionally are deeply into deductive reasoning (even if we don't know it :-) and adjust to this kind of exposure by rationalization. I know I've watched many of my friends killed in airshow crashes. My rationalization of these incidents was such that I recognized the errors involved and took necessary steps to avoid making these same errors myself, or in the case of structrual failures, I rethought my own maintainence program and adjusted. My bottom line on fear was that I avoided it through rationalization that barring catestrophic events, I was in control of my own fate in the air. I think this works well for the everyday pilot also. Any normal deductive reasoning by a pilot should yield the rationalization that if a serious effort is made by a pilot to avoid trouble, barring catestrophic event, the odds are extremely favorable that one can fly an airplane through an entire lifetime and emerge safely at the other end of the road. For the pilot concerned about the possibility of a mid-air; the best way to avoid having a mid-air is simply to AVOID having a mid-air. Dudley |
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