Sold out by IFR

Uh...yes it is. Read the post, I said tax credits.

Mike
MU-2

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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Mike Rapoport wrote:

What freedom is lost?. You can do exactly as you are doing now and your
cost of doing so will be the same.

Uh .... no it's not. If the cost of gas goes up to $4 a gallon, my cost of
doing
what I usually do goes up significantly. If part of that $4 is taxes, and
if I can
deduct those taxes on my income tax, then I will reduce my income taxes by
about
30% of the amount I spent in fuel taxes, but that still won't be anywhere
close
to being the same.

George Patterson
Love, n.: A form of temporary insanity afflicting the young. It is
curable
either by marriage or by removal of the afflicted from the
circumstances
under which he incurred the condition. It is sometimes fatal, but
more
often to the physician than to the patient.

These are noble, but simplistic, agruments. California primarily, and
other
border states are incurring tremendous costs because the federal
government
refuses to enforce our borders. Thus, Aunt Millie in Iowa is as
responsible foe
the failure of her federal government to protect the borders as is Uncle
Joe in
California.

No way. California passed laws giving illegals nearly the same benefits as
legal citizens therefore creating the influx of illegals. Remember the
idiotic drivers license law. Aunt Millie is a whole lot smarter than Uncle
Joe.

Bull****. That was a desperate act of pandering by the former governor. The
majority of residents were really ****ed. Thus, that law was repealed before it
went into effect.

Bsides, you're choosing to miss the point: the *federal* government has failed
to enforce the borders, causing all kinds of intended and unintended
consequences.

Mike Rapoport wrote:

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Mike Rapoport wrote:

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
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I guess they need to distinguish what we care about from what we
want!
Pork
spending is getting out of hand but I don't see any mechanism to
contain
it.
Even the defense budget is about 25% pork according to one study I
read
(I
think it was by the CBO or GAO).


In 1981-82 the Grace Commission found that 40% or more of government
spending was pork/waste.

But hey, this is a DEMOCRACY. The spending might not be what YOU want
(you
probably have your own little pet project -- we all do), but it's what
your
NEIGHBOR wants.

"What we must remember is that, in a democracy, the whores are us." -
P.J.
O'Rourke, _Parliament of Whores_.



I agree completely. Everybody wants lots of things if they don't have
to
pay for them. The federal government should stick to national issues,
defense, foriegn relations, interstate commerce, national parks, some
research ect. The state governments should stick to state issues, state
highways, law enforcement and so on. Local projects should be funded
locally. If Anaheim needs a railway to Disneyland which is only going
to
benefit Anaheim hotels, I don't see why someone in New York should pay
for
it. All pork spending is a result of people wanting things they don't
have
to pay for.

I don't have any pet projects that I expect someone else to pay for.

Mike
MU-2

These are noble, but simplistic, agruments. California primarily, and
other
border states are incurring tremendous costs because the federal
government
refuses to enforce our borders. Thus, Aunt Millie in Iowa is as
responsible foe
the failure of her federal government to protect the borders as is Uncle
Joe in
California.


Bull****. California is attracting the illegals with free social services
and by Californians offering them jobs. If this stopped, so would most of
the illegal immigration.

Mike
MU-2

Bull**** back pal. If the feds had done their job in the first place, we
wouldn't be agruing about what California has, or has not, done.

wrote in message
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These are noble, but simplistic, agruments. California primarily, and
other
border states are incurring tremendous costs because the federal
government
refuses to enforce our borders. Thus, Aunt Millie in Iowa is as
responsible foe
the failure of her federal government to protect the borders as is
Uncle
Joe in
California.

No way. California passed laws giving illegals nearly the same benefits
as
legal citizens therefore creating the influx of illegals. Remember the
idiotic drivers license law. Aunt Millie is a whole lot smarter than
Uncle
Joe.

Bull****. That was a desperate act of pandering by the former governor.
The
majority of residents were really ****ed. Thus, that law was repealed
before it
went into effect.

Bsides, you're choosing to miss the point: the *federal* government has
failed
to enforce the borders, causing all kinds of intended and unintended
consequences.

It is also the Ninth Circuit that forces California taxpayers to pay for
illeagl's medical bills and schooling.

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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These are noble, but simplistic, agruments. California primarily,
and
other
border states are incurring tremendous costs because the federal
government
refuses to enforce our borders. Thus, Aunt Millie in Iowa is as
responsible foe
the failure of her federal government to protect the borders as is
Uncle
Joe in
California.

No way. California passed laws giving illegals nearly the same
benefits
as
legal citizens therefore creating the influx of illegals. Remember
the
idiotic drivers license law. Aunt Millie is a whole lot smarter than
Uncle
Joe.

Bull****. That was a desperate act of pandering by the former governor.
The
majority of residents were really ****ed. Thus, that law was repealed
before it
went into effect.

Bsides, you're choosing to miss the point: the *federal* government has
failed
to enforce the borders, causing all kinds of intended and unintended
consequences.

It is also the Ninth Circuit that forces California taxpayers to pay for
illeagl's medical bills and schooling.

Nonsense. It is the California legislature that enacted many laws to
provide free just about everything for illegal aliens. If California was
not so desirable for the wet backs there would not be the tremendous influx
of border jumpers. California deserves everything it gets including Arnold.
Why don't we hear about other border states having the problems California
is having?

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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These are noble, but simplistic, agruments. California primarily,
and
other
border states are incurring tremendous costs because the federal
government
refuses to enforce our borders. Thus, Aunt Millie in Iowa is as
responsible foe
the failure of her federal government to protect the borders as is
Uncle
Joe in
California.

No way. California passed laws giving illegals nearly the same
benefits
as
legal citizens therefore creating the influx of illegals. Remember
the
idiotic drivers license law. Aunt Millie is a whole lot smarter
than
Uncle
Joe.

Bull****. That was a desperate act of pandering by the former
governor.
The
majority of residents were really ****ed. Thus, that law was repealed
before it
went into effect.

Bsides, you're choosing to miss the point: the *federal* government
has
failed
to enforce the borders, causing all kinds of intended and unintended
consequences.

It is also the Ninth Circuit that forces California taxpayers to pay for
illeagl's medical bills and schooling.

Nonsense. It is the California legislature that enacted many laws to
provide free just about everything for illegal aliens.

The People of California passed Prop 187 to stop the hemorraging and the
Ninth Circuit struck it down.

If California was
not so desirable for the wet backs there would not be the tremendous
influx
of border jumpers. California deserves everything it gets including
Arnold.
Why don't we hear about other border states having the problems California
is having?

Arizona has a worse problem.

"Rosspilot" wrote in message
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Bull****. California is attracting the illegals with free social
services
and by Californians offering them jobs. If this stopped, so would most
of
the illegal immigration.

Where I live, Americans simply will NOT do the kinds of labor intensive
work
(restaurant kitchen, landscape and gardening, garbage collection and
processing, domestic cleaning, etc) that are demanded by us. We need that
labor done, and NO Americans (even hungry ones) will do it.

Of course they won't. Get rid of the idiotic welfare program and they will
be lined up 100 deep to take those jobs.

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
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Actually ending our dependence on foriegn oil would be pretty easy but
people don't want to do it. In round figures:

We import about a third of our Petroleum
Two thirds of petroleum is used for transportation

It is possible to cut transportation use in half through a combination
of
fuel efficiency and more efficient trip planning.

The reason we don't is that the costs are horrendous. As for trip
planning
and fuel efficiency, I'd like to see how Soccer Mom's® driving SUV's and
mini-vans are going to improve their trip planning.



My wife goes to the grocery store (12 miles each way) almost everyday to
get something that she forgot the previous day, so she could certainly
improve her trip planning. As a result of cheap gasoline, people are
living
great distances from their workplace with commutes of over an hour being
common in many parts of the country. If gasoline was $5/gallon you would
see commute distances shorten, more telecommuting, smaller vehicles,
better
trip planning.

The economic costs of doing all this are tiny and probably there is
actually
a benefit. If there was simply a $4 tax on gasoline and an equivenenat
tax
credit (transferable) for income taxes, there would be no net economic
cost
and a huge incentive to use energy more efficiently. There would be
casualties in businesses catering to people traveling by auto but that is
about it.

So, because people don't do what YOU want, you feel it's okay/imperative to
FORCE them to abide by your whims?

There's a name for that.

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
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Bull****. California is attracting the illegals with free social services
and by Californians offering them jobs. If this stopped, so would most of
the illegal immigration.

But social services are a part of _your_ "General Welfare" clause, and
providing them to all are part of the "Equal Protection" clause. (See the
implications?)

"Gig Giacona" wrote in message
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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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If it works, let me know -- I've been trying for nearly 25 years to get
my
wife
to combine trips.


It only works if she is in the "how do you expect me to get all this done"
mode.

She pays no attention to MY expectations; OTOH, I must abide by _hers_ or
sleep on the couch.