Do you flight plan?

"Teacherjh" wrote in message
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How is this different from any other mishap due to poor planning? We go
out
and look every time an ELT beeps, forchrissakes, and we don't punish them
by
saying "we're not a frigging hospital - you should have brought your own
splints".

You're right, it's no different. And if a pilot got their airplane stranded
in the middle of the Rockies because it ran out of fuel, the extent of
support the pilot would receive would be search and rescue. The pilot would
not get any special dispensation for fuel, nor should he expect it.

Same as the guy in Antarctica. He should be thankful he's getting a ride
home. He has no reason to expect fuel to be provided to him. If he wants
fuel, he can contract to have it delivered to the airplane himself. Of
course, it'd probably be cheaper to just buy a new plane, but that's his
choice.

There's a big difference between providing splints and retrieving personal
property.

Pete

Dave Butler wrote:

TTA Cherokee Driver wrote:

Thanks to the AOPA's new flight planner, I now flight plan a lot more
than I used to. Give it a try, it's easy and very well done.


I've given it several tries. It still crashes. It still tells me about
waypoints named "Uuuuuuu". I've documented the problems to AOPA, no
response.

Too bad, it seems like a reasonably well designed user interface and a
lot of function.

Dave up the road at RDU.
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Bummer, Hmm I've never experienced that. I wonder if there is some
specific waypoint or area of the map that causes that? I haven't heard
a lot of other complaints about it either. Have you tried it on a
different computer?

TTA Cherokee Driver wrote:
Dave Butler wrote:

TTA Cherokee Driver wrote:

Thanks to the AOPA's new flight planner, I now flight plan a lot more
than I used to. Give it a try, it's easy and very well done.



I've given it several tries. It still crashes. It still tells me about
waypoints named "Uuuuuuu". I've documented the problems to AOPA, no
response.

Too bad, it seems like a reasonably well designed user interface and a
lot of function.

Dave up the road at RDU.
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Bummer, Hmm I've never experienced that. I wonder if there is some
specific waypoint or area of the map that causes that? I haven't heard
a lot of other complaints about it either. Have you tried it on a
different computer?

Well, I've mentioned my problems here a couple of times and nobody has said "me
too", so I guess it's something unique to me. Can't imagine what.

I only have the one Windoze computer, my other ones all run either Linux or
Solaris. The windows machine has fairly recently been re-installed with Win 98
and all the updates from microsoft.com. Maybe I'll try uninstalling and
installing the flight planner again... good ole Windoze. Maybe I have to give
micro$oft some $$ and upgrade to XP. Naw, it's not worth that.

I'll struggle along with DUAT flight planning (which, incidentally, lets me
specify the route without any goofy rubber-banding GUI interface).

Thanks for your interest.

Dave
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The scientific bases on the Antarctic and their
signatory governments have internal rules against private adventurers,
because they usually have to spend huge amounts of time and money to rescue
these idiots... It is no different than complaining to the USA government
about the no fly zone around the President - a total waste of time as it is
not a policy subject to public opinion.. Same situation in the
Antarctic...Johanson will get no fuel, and he will get a whopping bill for
removing his airplane... Had he actually crashed and dumped fuel and engine
oil onto the ice pack he would have been subject to penalties under treaty
laws... While we may have sympathy for him as a fellow pilot, his ill
conceived and poorly planned stunt will result in even tighter rules
restricting private flying in the Antarctic region... Mr. Johanson has done
a disservice to the flying community...

Denny

Idiot. He's not asking to be "bailed out". He just wants to buy some
fuel.

Mr. Johanson has done
a disservice to the flying community...

I see him as the kind of spirit that *created* aviation. He flew his homebuilt
around the world 3 times fer cryin' out loud.

He's in the tradition of Lindbergh, Amelia Earhardt, Ruttan, Yeager and all the
other cutting-edge adventurous courageous spirits who set out to test
themselves and their flying machines.

So he made an unscheduled stop due to unforeseen circumstances.

I'm not saying they OWE him fuel. I'm just saying if they had it to spare,
they ought to sell it to him.

As for doing a disservice to the flying community, I just can't see it. There
probably aren't enough pilots in the world who would even consider flying over
the south pole in a plane like his to worry much about encouraging or
discouraging others.

www.Rosspilot.com

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003, Teacherjh wrote:


He didn't have a good plan for dealing with headwinds. He got
bitten. Now you want people to encourage this behavior so that
other pilots are more likely to do the same?


How is this different from any other mishap due to poor planning? We go out
and look every time an ELT beeps, forchrissakes, and we don't punish them by
saying "we're not a frigging hospital - you should have brought your own
splints".

It's different because it's Antarctica, perhaps?

I'm sure the American & NZ Antarctic crews would have gone out & run SAR
for this guy if he hadn't shown up on time; the REAL issue is that
neither organization is in the business of providing logistical support to
private Antarctic trips!

If pilot-boy had arranged to have a few hundred litres of 100LL shipped
down beforehand, he'd have had less difficulty. As it is, why should the
Yanks or Kiwis bail him out?

(besides, most of the a/c I've heard of operating down there are turbine
equipped. I doubt there is any spare 100LL sitting around!)

Brian.

In article , Rosspilot
wrote:

I see him as the kind of spirit that *created* aviation. He flew his
homebuilt around the world 3 times fer cryin' out loud.
He's in the tradition of Lindbergh, Amelia Earhardt, Ruttan, Yeager and all
the other cutting-edge adventurous courageous spirits who set out to test
themselves and their flying machines.

How do you figure? He has been flying a proven design over proven
routes for years. How is that cutting edge? Where is the risk? He
certainly isn't a trailblazer.

So he made an unscheduled stop due to unforeseen circumstances.
I'm not saying they OWE him fuel. I'm just saying if they had it to spare,
they ought to sell it to him.

How can it be unforseen? There are weather stations throughout the
Antartic that report their observations. There are historical weather
data available. His failure was inadaquate planning and failure to
cache fuel in advance.

As for doing a disservice to the flying community, I just can't see it. There
probably aren't enough pilots in the world who would even consider flying over
the south pole in a plane like his to worry much about encouraging or
discouraging others.
www.Rosspilot.com

I disagree. There are many more fools and idiots who would try such a
stunt with even less experience who who not only expect, but demand
that the researchers base in Antartica provide them with whatever they
demanded.

As I heard reported on NPR this morning, the British woman who has been
flying around the world has offered Johanson the fuel that she has
cached in Antartica.
I give this woman higher marks than Johanson. At least she planned
ahead.

(Teacherjh) writes:


He didn't have a good plan for dealing with headwinds. He got
bitten. Now you want people to encourage this behavior so that
other pilots are more likely to do the same?


How is this different from any other mishap due to poor planning?

It's in an area where one should not expect a AAA tow truck.

We go out
and look every time an ELT beeps, forchrissakes, and we don't punish them by
saying "we're not a frigging hospital - you should have brought your own
splints".

They're not withholding medical attention. They're even providing
food, water, and shelter, and offering transportation.

Are you even trying to relate this to the situation at hand or are
you just taking off on a tangent?

--kyler

"Rosspilot" wrote in message
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Mr. Johanson has done
a disservice to the flying community...

I see him as the kind of spirit that *created* aviation. He flew his
homebuilt
around the world 3 times fer cryin' out loud.

He's in the tradition of Lindbergh, Amelia Earhardt, Ruttan, Yeager and
all the
other cutting-edge adventurous courageous spirits who set out to test
themselves and their flying machines.

You have got to be kidding.

adventurous courageous spirits who set out to test
themselves and their flying machines.

You have got to be kidding.

What's with you guys? A guy builds a plane himself and flies it around the
world
3 times and you don't think that's something, huh?

Well I haven't done it. I haven't even managed to go coast-to-coast yet. I'm
pretty easily impressed, I guess.
Oh, well.


www.Rosspilot.com