Pilot's Political Orientation

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 20:18:41 GMT, Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

Then why the fight against gay marriage?


What fight against gay marriage?

How about a fight FOR gay marriage?

Why the fight against abortion?


Because all current abortion methods kill a child. When an abortion
procedure is developed that does not kill the child the fight against
abortion will end.

abortion will always kill a child. there is no way to not kill a child
while aborting. it is 'only' a matter of definition (when is it a child?).

Why the fight against pr0n?

What's pr0n?

porn.
pr0n is just another way to spell it. :-)


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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"Pete" wrote in message
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Then why the fight against gay marriage?




What fight against gay marriage?

You've just gone a long way toward's blowing whatever credibility you
might have
with this statement.





Why the fight against abortion?




Because all current abortion methods kill a child. When an abortion
procedure is developed that does not kill the child the fight against
abortion will end.

Actually, there are several methods available that already are acting
to prevent abortions,
with Planned Parenthood being one of their leading proponents. The fall
under the general
category of "birth control procedures", and people generally learn about
them through
something called "sex education".

While I am firmly pro-choice, I am willing to admit that the
anti-abortion side (which is
not necessarily pro-life, so I won't call it such) does have a point.
Most anti-abortionists
I've encountered, though, have absolutely no interest in preventing the
procedure. What
they want to do is _stop_ it, because prevention is much harder and
involves other
things that the anti-abortionists are uncomfortable with - things like
making sure that
teenagers know the "facts of life", or that all women have affordable
access to birth
control and health care.

If you've waited until little Debbie is pregnant, you've lost your
chance to prevent an
abortion, period. All you can do now is stop it, but don't call it
prevention.

Rich Lemert

David Dyer-Bennet wrote:

"C J Campbell" writes:



"Theorem" wrote in message
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BllFs6 wrote:



Liberalism is Communism one drink at a time. - P.J. O'Rourke



If only it was even as good as that

Liberalism is more imprisoning than communism ever thought of being


while


hiding under the fake facade of true freedom.....


Jesus was a liberal.


Then why do liberals hate him? Why don't liberals espouse the principals
that Jesus taught?



In fact, we do, mostly. We just deny that he's a particularly
authoritative source, and arrive at many of the same principles from
other directions.

Now, if the *Christians* could just get together around those
principles, we might have something.

Congratulations! Now we can argue unproductively about both politics
and religion
in the same thread.

Rich Lemert

"darwin smith" wrote in message
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You've just gone a long way toward's blowing whatever credibility you
might have
with this statement.


It wasn't a statement, it was a question, and one that apparently stumped
you.



Actually, there are several methods available that already are acting
to prevent abortions,
with Planned Parenthood being one of their leading proponents. The fall
under the general
category of "birth control procedures", and people generally learn about
them through
something called "sex education".


Those are not abortion procedures.



While I am firmly pro-choice,


You are firmly pro-murder, for that is what abortion is at present.



I am willing to admit that the
anti-abortion side (which is
not necessarily pro-life, so I won't call it such) does have a point.


Anti-abortion IS pro-life.

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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How about a fight FOR gay marriage?


No need. Gays marry.



abortion will always kill a child. there is no way to not kill a child
while aborting. it is 'only' a matter of definition


Not necessarily. A procedure may be developed that terminates a woman's
pregnancy without harming the child. Until that time abortion is murder.



(when is it a child?).


Conception.



porn.
pr0n is just another way to spell it. :-)


What's porn?

in article , C J Campbell at
wrote on 4/17/04 11:37 AM:


"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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People still buy cigarettes.... How can anyone possibly explain why vast
numbers of people will continue to buy something that burns their mouths
and
lungs, makes the eyes sting, smells bad, makes food taste bad, is likely
to
burn themselves, their friends, and their possessions, and is deadly
poisonous to boot, and even claim that they 'enjoy' it? Perhaps
liberalism
is to politics what tobacco is to recreation.

Maybe JFK was right after all, when he claimed that he was a jelly
doughnut.
:-)

Okay, I was gonna stay out of this, but since people are comparing
liberalism to poison, cigarettes and other cancerous substances, it may be
time to remind everyone that our country was founded on some quite liberal
principles. Thomas Jefferson would likely be appalled to hear liberalism
likened to "poison".


Some people have no sense of humor. :-(

All right, you want to play it that way, Thomas Jefferson would likely be
appalled to hear what modern day liberalism espouses (socialism,
restrictions on freedom of speech on campus and in the press, restrictions
on the right to bear arms, restrictions on the right to practice your
religion, racial quotas, seizure of personal property for public use without
compensation, abandonment of morals, restrictions on campaign advertising
and financing, etc.). Thomas Jefferson liberals are what we call
conservatives nowadays.

Nonsense. If a free-thinking humanist like Jefferson were around today,
espousing things like the separation of church and state and the importance
of public education (which he all but invented), you'd probably dismiss him
as a left-wing whacko.

Most liberals hate Jefferson

I don't suppose you've got the slightest data to back up this assertion, do
you?

and tar his reputation and his principles
whenever they can. Modern day liberals portray Jefferson as an oppressive
white slave owner and rapist, an establishment figure tied to big money and
corrupt politics. If Jefferson is mentioned in public schools at all, it is
to highlight the shameful and oppressive past of the white male dictators
that established the United States. That is all most modern grade school
kids know about Jefferson.

This must be a relatively recent develepment, because I for one can't recall
ever being taught any such thing. You're basically just making this up,
aren't you?

in article , C J Campbell at
wrote on 4/17/04 11:38 AM:


"Theorem" wrote in message
...
BllFs6 wrote:

Liberalism is Communism one drink at a time. - P.J. O'Rourke



If only it was even as good as that

Liberalism is more imprisoning than communism ever thought of being
while
hiding under the fake facade of true freedom.....

Jesus was a liberal.

Then why do liberals hate him? Why don't liberals espouse the principals
that Jesus taught?

Sheesh, every time they try to give to the poor, you accuse them of
redistributing wealth.

in article . net, Steven P.
McNicoll at wrote on 4/17/04 1:10 PM:


"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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Errr, then explain again how we're financing the current war?


Do you think redistributing other peoples assets is financing the war?

No, I think that redistributing my assets is financing the war.

"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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Sheesh, every time they try to give to the poor, you accuse them of
redistributing wealth.


They are free to give their own money to the poor if they so choose. When
they use government force to take money from other people to give to the
poor they are stealing.

"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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No, I think that redistributing my assets is financing the war.


What caused you to think that?