Two 14 year old boys steal plane and then crash

"Jim Macklin" wrote in
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Ft. Sill, OK 24/7 artillery


What is the difference between a Harley and a Hoover?

The location of the dirtbag. [I can say that because the
first bike I rode was a Harley and I hope to buy another].

A t-shirt going around lately has written on the back, "If you
can read this, the bitch fell off".

My fave though is, "If I have to explain, you wouldn't understand".
I've found that applies to many things.

BTW, what did you have? I have an '86 Sportster 883. Good for
rippin' around the city but it's a back breaker long haul.

Brian
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BTW, what did you have? I have an '86 Sportster 883. Good for
rippin' around the city but it's a back breaker long haul.

We looked at one of those in '87. Went with the Goldwing instead, cuz we
planned to ride from Wisconsin to California and back, and my kidneys
couldn't take the pounding. I also didn't want to be one of those guys you
see wrenching on the side of I-80 between Des Moines and Sturgis every
summer.

I still have that cycle today, amazingly enough, but now I take the kids on
camping trips with it instead of Mary. That bike was made damned well by
some good folks in Ohio, and I don't intend to sell it anytime soon.
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in
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BTW, what did you have? I have an '86 Sportster 883. Good for
rippin' around the city but it's a back breaker long haul.

We looked at one of those in '87. Went with the Goldwing instead, cuz
we planned to ride from Wisconsin to California and back, and my kidneys
couldn't take the pounding. I also didn't want to be one of those guys
you see wrenching on the side of I-80 between Des Moines and Sturgis
every summer.

I still have that cycle today, amazingly enough, but now I take the kids
on camping trips with it instead of Mary. That bike was made damned
well by some good folks in Ohio, and I don't intend to sell it anytime
soon.

hhahaha......yeah. Harley's seem to have a rep for needing "wrenched"
on and marking their spot. My bike had the new (at the time) Evolution
engine. I've had what I consider minor problems. I had to replace the
clutch but managed that myself without even buying the proprietary
spring release tool. I am on my fourth oil tank now, though. The
mounting brackets break their welds and all the oil comes out. Vibration
problem. It's a solid mounted engine. Oh, and my bike took about ten
years before it started dripping oil. It now drips plenty of oil. The
gaskets could use replacing. But I'm actually afraid to do that as the
engine is running so damned good. I fear that doing major work may cause
more problems down the road than dealing with some oil drips. It does
have some minor electrical problems with the wiring, but what do you
expect from 20 years of exposure to the elements? It's a working bike,
not just a weekend toy.

Over all it's been a very reliable and strong machine.

Brian
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I know I came into this group as an antagonist, but I'm not "opposed" to GA like some of the groups out there that want to just shut it down... snip...I don't want GA to go away. I just want it to be more responsible. That's not the same as saying all GA pilots suck. I think maybe 10% are clowns, or not sufficiently qualified... snip... The worst is the completely unnecessary buzzing by some, and lack of common courtesy.

A rational argument such as this I can work with. Often pilots are
their own worst enemies, and some need to be better neighbors. IMHO
your 10% figure may be conservative, but currency/competancy is a
self-policing issue with little oversight possible from the federales.
Buzzing is illegal and dangerous but then again so is drunk driving -
there's no way that I know of to totally eliminate either short of
hugely restrictive & draconian legislation. If some knucklehead wants
to risk his own ass by buzzing that's one thing I suppose, but putting
others on the ground at risk is inexcusable. Get his tail # if you can
and call the local FAA Flight Standards District Office. That'll get
their attention, and I suspect receiving a letter in the mail from the
FAA looking for an explanation will get the buzzer's attention.

Bob Noel wrote:
In article .com,
wrote:

Well there was at least one error in the article.

The boys did not crash the aricraft. In fact, they executed
an off-field dead stick landing and made a good landing.

The plane was not substantially damaged?


I didn't say it was a great landing.

However, as I understand it, the plane is thought to be repairable.

--

FF

by " Mar 10, 2006 at 06:34 AM



A rational argument such as this I can work with. Often pilots are
their own worst enemies, and some need to be better neighbors. IMHO
your 10% figure may be conservative, but currency/competancy is a
self-policing issue with little oversight possible from the federales.


Good. Because that is the same argument I have been making from Day One.
Problem is, it is next to impossible to anticipate when you will be buzzed,
and to catch the N-number from the ground.

If you complain, it is a classic Catch-22. The FAA says it is not
responsible for noise (and it isn't) the local airport is. The local
airport then tells you that noise abatement is voluntary, and once the
plane is in the air, it is up to the FAA.

Even if you do see the N-number, the FAA will make you PROVE that the
plane was below 1000' AGL. To my knowledge, no one on the ground has ever
been able to prove this to the FAA's satisfaction. So offending pilots get
off absolutely scot free, unless they do something really reckless like
buzzing a beach in Calif at 100 feet.

Because no one is responsible, citizen groups have cropped up all across
the country. Some, like STN are over the top, and some, like Plane Sense
of Groton, are very reasonable. Some pilots have made some efforts to
deal with the problem. Others then went out of their way to purposely
antagonize the noise protestors (see their web site).

Because no one is responsible, citizen groups have cropped up all across
the country.

Who benefits by closing an airport? Local residents have a somewhat
quieter backdrop to run their leafblowers in. Real estate tycoons
subdivide the airport and make more money in an afternoon than we can
imagine in a day.

Who do you think has a greater incentive to close the airport? Sure
citizens are footsoldiers, but by and large, follow the money.

Jose
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:45:56 GMT, Jose
wrote in : :

Who do you think has a greater incentive to close the airport?

What of the interests of the municipality's board of supervisors? By
permitting the airport property to be developed, they receive
additional tax revenue instead of having to subsidize the cost of
running the airport.

But in the long run, both the city and its residents loose; in the
future they will not have a local airport from which to reach the
international airport that has been relocated some distance from
development.

But in the long run, both the city and its residents loose

Lose.

But yes, they lose, and the real estate developers win. Follow the money.

Jose
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 22:27:13 GMT, Jose
wrote in ::

But in the long run, both the city and its residents loose

Lose.

Oops.

But yes, they lose, and the real estate developers win. Follow the money.

And the municipality garners increased revenue and no longer has to
expend funds to operate the airport.

Of course, when we all start flying these:
http://www.innovatortech.ca/
we won't need airports. :-)