Pilots flying into Oregon must register with the state!?

"Gig 601XL Builder wrote

As I've said, abuse of anything is a negative. In my 45 years I've seen
that the negatives of moderate use of drugs is worse than the light to
moderate use of alcohol.

I wonder if you aren't forgetting that this "home medical pot use" is quite
different than the average person using it (or abusing it) on a recreational
basis.

I don't think most would argue the problems of drugs in the workplace, or
the negative effect on the person.

On the whole, these are people that are dying, or suffering in such
magnitude, that life is nearly unbearable. Most are not holding a job, but
only trying to hold onto life. They should not be put into a place where
their actions can harm others, like driving, or making decisions that would
or could put another at risk.

A person that has tried all other conventional means to cope, may be in a
situation, that without any other way to ease their personal suffering, may
be likely to consider suicide.

Would you think that it is a reasonable thing, to not allow the only thing
that has been found to make life bearable?

I have my doubts. I may be in that place, one day. In all likelihood, I
_will_ be in that place. I think it is only a matter of how far off in the
future.

Would I be willing to consider a now illegal drug, to ease my suffering, and
increase my quality of life? You bet. Unless you have lived with a
constant, inescapable pain, 24/7, you may find that concept hard to imagine.
Perhaps it is impossible to imagine, unless you have lived with
dehabilitating pain.

Let me put it another way. I missed going to Oshkosh last year, because of
the level of my pain. I can not bear the travel of going that distance, and
even if I could, I could not endure being on my feet long enough to enjoy
myself. This year, it is looking like the same thing is taking place. The
thought of not going is painful, but I am left with no choice. I have
looked forward to it for two years, but it is being taken from me again.
Will I ever be able to attend? I don't know. Not knowing is terrible.
Will I ever have anything close to a normal life again? I don't know.
Nobody has been able to offer me anything; even hope.

What would I give, or sacrifice to be able to go? I don't know. I don't
see any options. If one were offered to me, I would jump at it, probably
even if it was not legal.

Same goes with pot for pain, for some people. I'm not there yet. I do
understand their plight, though.

If there are people trying to get away with medicinal pot for ...whatever...
that have not exhausted all other legal options, then that is what needs to
be addressed; not eliminating a possible worthwhile treatment for some.

Opiates are used for legitimate medical reasons. So are products from the
coca plant. They are also abused by some. Keep them in their correct,
controlled place. I don't see the difference in this case, either. None.
--
Jim in NC

In article ,
Larry Dighera wrote:

It took a Constitutional amendment to enact the Volstead Act
(prohibition of alcohol), and the result was rampant drinking,

rampant drinking was caused by the Volstead Act?

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

In article ,
Larry Dighera wrote:

When will the religious right learn that they can't successfully
legislate morality?

about the same time liberals figure out that you can't legislate
intelligence or common sense

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

gatt wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
...

As far as firing them for poor performance rather than because they
engage in an activity that is ILLEGAL, I've found that those that
are willing to break one law are more willing to break others.

Ever gotten a traffic ticket?

In Oregon, possession and use of small amounts of marijuana often
times won't even get you arrested.

-c


And that's why the war on drugs is failing.

Morgans wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder wrote

As I've said, abuse of anything is a negative. In my 45 years I've
seen that the negatives of moderate use of drugs is worse than the
light to moderate use of alcohol.

I wonder if you aren't forgetting that this "home medical pot use" is
quite different than the average person using it (or abusing it) on a
recreational basis.

I don't think most would argue the problems of drugs in the
workplace, or the negative effect on the person.

On the whole, these are people that are dying, or suffering in such
magnitude, that life is nearly unbearable. Most are not holding a
job, but only trying to hold onto life. They should not be put into
a place where their actions can harm others, like driving, or making
decisions that would or could put another at risk.

A person that has tried all other conventional means to cope, may be
in a situation, that without any other way to ease their personal
suffering, may be likely to consider suicide.

Would you think that it is a reasonable thing, to not allow the only
thing that has been found to make life bearable?

I have my doubts. I may be in that place, one day. In all
likelihood, I _will_ be in that place. I think it is only a matter
of how far off in the future.

Would I be willing to consider a now illegal drug, to ease my
suffering, and increase my quality of life? You bet. Unless you
have lived with a constant, inescapable pain, 24/7, you may find that
concept hard to imagine. Perhaps it is impossible to imagine, unless
you have lived with dehabilitating pain.

Let me put it another way. I missed going to Oshkosh last year,
because of the level of my pain. I can not bear the travel of going
that distance, and even if I could, I could not endure being on my
feet long enough to enjoy myself. This year, it is looking like the
same thing is taking place. The thought of not going is painful, but
I am left with no choice. I have looked forward to it for two years,
but it is being taken from me again. Will I ever be able to attend? I
don't know. Not knowing is terrible. Will I ever have anything
close to a normal life again? I don't know. Nobody has been able to
offer me anything; even hope.
What would I give, or sacrifice to be able to go? I don't know. I
don't see any options. If one were offered to me, I would jump at
it, probably even if it was not legal.

Same goes with pot for pain, for some people. I'm not there yet. I
do understand their plight, though.

If there are people trying to get away with medicinal pot for
...whatever... that have not exhausted all other legal options, then
that is what needs to be addressed; not eliminating a possible
worthwhile treatment for some.
Opiates are used for legitimate medical reasons. So are products
from the coca plant. They are also abused by some. Keep them in
their correct, controlled place. I don't see the difference in this
case, either. None.


I'm not a advocate for or against the medical use of marijuana. I will say I
have been I great pain and used only legal drugs, properly prescribed to
deal with it. Both my father and my mother died from cancer and they only
used legal drugs, properly prescribed. But if a drug is going to be
prescribed it needs to go through all the FDA testing and needs to come from
a legitimate source. As I mentioned in another post there is a bunch of pot
on the market that isn't all pot.

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrote

But if a drug is going to be prescribed it needs to go through all the FDA
testing and needs to come from a legitimate source. As I mentioned in
another post there is a bunch of pot on the market that isn't all pot.

Even more of a reason that this recent court ruling striking down home grown
use (or what I understand it to be saying) makes no sense.

Home grown, by the user, makes the user's supply safe from tampering with
the addition of other drugs.

What would testing by the FDA do to make it more safe? It is a weed, that
can be developed to grow with more of the chemical present, depending on the
climate, and type of growing practice. If the chemical content is higher,
you use less of it, and conversely so, if it is less strong.

I am not a pothead, or anything of the kind. I do feel for the people with
a valid need that have had a valuable tool taken from their "medicine
cabinet," though.

'Nuff said, by me. I have a feeling that most with a desperate need will go
on, business as usual. Sadly, some will have to deal with the legal system,
and some will go to jail, at a time in their life when that is the last
thing they should have to deal with.
--
Jim in NC

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 15:50:15 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in
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Larry Dighera wrote:

So it would seem that legalizing alcohol didn't cause rampant alcohol
use. Interesting.

It sure put the bootleggers out of business, and you've got to agree,
that the tax revenue it generates can't be a bad thing.


I forgot to respond to the first part of you reply so here.

But it didn't cause a drop in it either.


Exactly. Regardless of the law folks will do what they want to do
with regard to control of their state of mind. It's a constant that
needs to be accepted, and those who are unable to refrain from harming
themselves should receive rehabilitative therapy. That could be paid
through the tax.

As I've said, abuse of anything is a negative.

It's difficult to argue with that statement.

In my 45 years I've seen that the negatives of moderate use of drugs
is worse than the light to moderate use of alcohol.

I'll have to take your word for it; I have no first hand experience
with drunks nor substance abusers.

But the point is, that people will continue to seek their intoxicant
of choice, or not, regardless of attempts to impose controls on them.
Once that fact is realized, it becomes clear that creating a black
market only serves to fuel criminality and violence. Regulation
eliminates the black market, and hence the criminal element, so folks
keep doin' what they do, and the bad guys source of power drys up.

Do you see it differently?

As I've said, abuse of anything is a negative. In my 45 years I've seen that
the negatives of moderate use of drugs is worse than the light to moderate
use of alcohol.

You have your thumb on the scale here. What about comparing light use
of drugs to moderate use of alcohol? I have a thumb too.

Jose
--
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know what button to push, and those that want to know what happens when
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No argument about that. In fact, that is part of the point I was making
w/r/t our supposed concerns about terrorists.

Then I don't know what your point is.

If it is that restricting freedoms does not stop terrorism, and that our
government is acting very bull headed and not thinking anything through,
then I wholeheartedly agree.

We need to know the enemy before you can defeat it, and we don't seem to
care to know the enemy, just to point a finger and say "axis of evil".
Terrorism is like a person being infected with a bacteria or virus. Our
reaction to it is like pointing a gun at the parts that hurt, and
pulling the trigger.

The real problem is that nobody is honest, neither with themselves or
with others, about what they consider the problem to actually be.

Jose
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I know that the prescreen positives for illegal drugs is about 10%.
I also know that the positive post accident screen rate for the same
population is pretty close to 30% of which about 2/3s is marijuana only with
the most of the rest being either crack, meth or a mixture of them all.

Don't confuse correlation with causation. The data you present is
suggestive of correlation, but it takes causation to justify a law.

One interesting data point on the mixtures. Most employees on there exit
interviews will admit they did pot but are truly surprised that there was
some meth mixed in there.

I wonder if the meth is in the marijuana. I wonder if it would be there
if the marijuana were legal and home grown.

Jose
--
There are two kinds of people in the world. Those that just want to
know what button to push, and those that want to know what happens when
they push the button.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.